then they say will cut rates to 28%, will not offset it because we didn't talk to joe minarik and we can decide on a. will run with the race. were adding to the deficit. there may be a few other things that president trump wants to add to definite but what point does that become too much? >> you'll know it when you see it. [laughter] back when we have a crisis and have to do something about it. one of the previous panelist said that it's a crisis that will create actual focus on it. it needs to be a focus. we have a $20 trillion debt problem and we don't have it because we didn't collect enough taxes. so, we have to do something about spending. >> i want to try it a different way. let's go back to infrastructure because it's one of the only topics that republicans and democrats generally agree on other than what the projects actually are and how it should be p4. this is no small issue. the notion that a national reinvestment in a physical infra structure around the country means we have any number of places and metropolitan cities that look and feel like the third world. the notion o