khrushchev lead him and thought he could have his way with the united states and the russians at the time were having leadership problems. reagan used to say the leaders kept dying on them. they underestimated reagan as well and there's a pattern here over the years. may be vladimir putin thought because of what happened during the campaign things donald trump said about resetting relations with russia that somehow things are going to be different and russia would have a free hands. he is finding out otherwise. neil: i wonder what the russians do and the syrians do, test using chemical weapons on your people knowing this is the response you could be getting out of donald trump. >> if they were rational it would be obvious they wouldn't do it again. there is a big if. we are always amazed the number of people in the united states and outside the united states in leadership positions who don't follow rationality. if they are rational they won't do it again. neil: we build expectations so the other side, a number of military and other types, in the area, close to these two ships from wh

so mistakes are made even by reasonable people like khrushchev. how do you find reason from kim jong-un? how do you get him to make a rational decision about the future of his country and his own life? >> well, first of all, as everyone said, the big problem is kim jong-un -- the big problem is kim jong-un, unlike his father, seems to have zero interest in negotiations. his father had some interest in it, and his interest was because he cared about the relationship with china. kim jong-un has essentially no relationship with china. they've never even invited him during his five years of rule. so there's a real problem getting to kim jong-un. i'd also like to point out that some of these -- the ideas of preemptive strikes, i think we need to remember that our relationship here on the korean peninsula is not with north korea. it's with south korea. it's with our ally. so for us to get into a kinetic strike against north korea without full understanding, full consultations with the south koreans could create a lot of problems especially if north kore

so mistakes are made even by reasonable people like khrushchev. how do you find reason from kim jong-un? how do you get him to make a rational decision about the future of his country and his own life? >> well, first of all, as everyone said, the big problem is kim jong-un -- the big problem is kim jong-un, unlike his father, seems to have zero interest in negotiations. his father had some interest in it, and his interest was because he cared about the relationship with china. kim jong-un has essentially no relationship with china. they've never even invited him during his five years of rule. so there's a real problem getting to kim jong-un. i'd also like to point out that some of these -- the ideas of preemptive strikes, i think we need to remember that our relationship here on the korean peninsula is not with north korea. it's with south korea. it's with our ally. so for us to get into a kinetic strike against north korea without full understanding, full consultations with the south koreans could create a lot of problems especially if north kore

they were in moscow meeting with khrushchev. they knew that we would not allow for the nationalization of the united fruit company and other organizations that were billions of for american dollars economics. they knew the writing on the wall before fidel did. one way or another, once fidel castro realized there was no possible way of any kind of relationship with the united states, he does reach out to the soviet union. he puts himself in direct -- let's call it -- a direct confrontational situation with the united states. we were not in a position where we would let a soviet satellite state be so close. this was not sort of reaching out to the soviets, this was a full embrace of soviet ideology. i would like to call castro a born-again communist, in many ways he was. when he came back from his trip and realized he would have to reach out and embrace the other major power in the world, he very quickly started adopting a lot of these marxist and leninists terminology was not using before. it worked. he and khrushchev had a stron

i don't want to send a message accidentally to nikita khrushchev and the russians that may cause them tong we're going to do a first strike or somehow cause a war that will cause this nuclear war to happen unnecessarily. when you have something like this happen, it is so different from the atmosphere that jfk set in that missile crisis. >> in at case, so i'm clear here, what jfk was essentially doing wi that directive was ensuring that there would never be a mixed message where the president and the white house and the political side, the elected government was asserting something about real life, but the soviets might be reading something different from the military or for some other action at the government. >> he wanted to make sure everyone was on the same page, plus he wanted to make sure that there might not be some pentagon official who thought that he was being too moderate and who wanted to escalate the war saying something that would get into the press and cause the soviets to think that perhaps we were being more war-like and cause them to retaliate. >> on the other side of

we had people like khrushchev who actually hadconsciences.ow do we deal with somebody who doesn't have one? > he comes from a long line of very unpredictable and unstable leaders. but his father and his grandfath grandfather, just as i assume this leader understands, that if they engage in any kind of peremptory attack here in that region, that is committing suicide for their regime. i think they understand that, and it's for that reason that we're engaged in this period of provocation. i think the biggest concern i have is that in engaging in these provocations, that somebody may miscalculate, whether it's south korea, whether it's somebody else, whether it's us, somebody may miscalculate, and we could be in a war. that's probably the greatest danger we face right now. >> one last one, mr. secretary. president trump's director of the cia, mike pompeo today called out wikileaks, an organization that trump frequently praised on the campaign trail, for helping him in the election. let's watch this bizarre statement. >> it's time to call out wik

kennedy thought he could do it with khrushchev. >> bush that he had done it with putin. [ overlapping voices ] >> that is what makes him a politician, and he thinks he can do it with this guy somehow. you know, i doubt it, but that's how he thinks. >> go ahead, katherine. take over here for a while because i think so many people think if they think they're doing -- i watch people and these inaugural dances they have every year. the last couple generations, they don't know how to dance. they go out and do a couple steps and don't bother to take any lessons, but they act like they're dancing. everybody applauds. but thinking you're doing it, thinking you can do it is not the same as doing it. you actually have to know how to play the instrument. you actually have to learn it. you can't just think you're doing it. these guys lately, i think w. did it too, and obama did it. anyway, the lack of training -- >> that level of confidence is what helps people win elections, right? that sort of faking it till you make it. the question right now is has trump sort of been humbled to any extent now

i think "the post" reported this week that even nikita khrushchev said when he took over that that is a phrase nobody should ever use. david: he was not really an advocate of the free press, either. bill: so how should the media respond? by getting angry and striking back, or just ignoring it as another rant? david: i will say two things. one, trump is somebody who sees the media as basically his main constituency. so much of his self-worth and his image and his view of what the presidentcy should be about is the media and how he is reflected in the media. the reason he says things about the media is you spent all of his time watching television and he cares much about how the media portrays him. i think the phrase "enemy of the people," people hear it and think he is somebody who is going to crush the media and clamp down, and who knows what he will try to do in the future, but he sees the news media as the most immediate way of validating that he is doing a good job in the presidency. think of how often he watches "morning joe" or fox news or read the newspaper watches cnn and respo

khrushchev's are the easiest types of tours and to take into cuba and i looked on today's listing onruises going to cuba , i see six different cruise lines scheduling cruise ships going to cuba. i think 19 ports, not reports not ports with big -- who can take large cruise ships are available for stops in cuba. it's ripe for cruise ship operations. cruise ships bring their own rooms. they bring their own food. the tourists will go ashore and visit and those are the cultural places for food and dancing and other activities they have been cuba. we have the american restriction against americans traveling as tourists so even with those restrictions there's a great deal of possibility for tourism development very quickly in cuba i'm sure the cruise lines are looking into this and it deserves more study. medical tourism. cuba has a great deal of medical technology and medical skill. they have been exporting their medical tourism. in fact export medical devices to the united states as well as the rest of the world. i've not sure what's going to happen in the united states. it ate the ag goi

. >> do people think it would deskrovl into -- devolve into khrushchev coming to the worlds fair andng the united states? >> no, but after the angela merkel meeting, i know that the president didn't actually give her a bill for nato. but that wasn't seen as having gone particularly well. >> no. i agree with that. i think that in many ways that's globalism versus america first. and i think that, you know, globalism is the enemy for this president. >> what does that mean? >> well, i think that merkel is the leader of globalization. >> yes. >> she feels like obama. free trade, free trade, free trade. i think that one of the things that trump has in common with the chinese is they want to win. okay? merkel is somehow everybody wins from globalization. trump does not think that. trump has to get some concessions from xi. xi should like to have some market here. in other words, these are two people fighting for their country and merkel is fighting for the globe. trump doesn't like that. >> how much are you watching the reports and they're all early and sketchy that trump is having to decid

that's the phone that if you think there's a nuclear strike, you have to call khrushchev, and that techk about the dialing capacity on a rotary phone. and darpa was brought onboard to try to speed that up using computers.ha at the time computers were the size of a room. so lick leiter was brought in to speed up the c2 process and while he was working on the programs he sent out this famoun memo which was this -- we came up with this idea that one day people would be able to communicate via computers. he was really talking about the internet his n his mind but he called it the intergalactic network and would be a symbiotic relationship between man and machine if the planted the original seeded for the arpa net and he left and others took over and built the internet. then you have this today linking up to the technology in our phone. so what man is capable of thinking about is astonishing, the reaches out what we can know, what will we know list. >> host: you're also reading norst mythology.y. >> guest: my husband is norwegian and my kids are norwegian, and i love the idea of story-tellin

that's thephone that if you think there's a nuclear strike you have to call khrushchev, and think about the dialing capacity on a rotary phone. and darpa was brought onboard to try to speed that up using computers. at the time computers were the size of a room. so licleiter was brought up to speed up the process and while we was working on the programs there the pentagon he came up with this idea-isn't out famous memo which was this -- where he came up with this idea that one day people would be able to communicate via computers. he was talk about the internet in his mind but called it the intergalactic computer network and would be a relationship between man and machine hi planted those original sealeds for the arpa-net. he left and many capable people took over and built the internet and you have this linking up to the technology in our phone. so, what man is capable of thinking about is astonishing. what are the reaches of what we can know. what will we know next? >> host: you're reading norst mythology. >> guest: my husband is norwegian and my kids are norwegian and i love the idea