people, um, in italy, yeah, in rome, still love mussolini. >> anthony: what happened to mussolini againa turnaround. i mean, at one time is just so popular and then -- >> asia: that's what happens with all the idols. you know? you create them so you can destroy them. >> anthony: wow. ♪ >> asia: thank you for bringing me here. i don't think i've ever been or ever will come back. ♪ mae for vies. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [ wind blowing ] ♪

finally the italians are getting , their act together under mussolini. trains were running on time, that sort of thing. the business community was quite supportive. as late as the late the u.s. 1930's, state department was -- can't actually say supporting hitler, , but saying we ought to tolerate hitler, because he's a moderate standing between the extremes of right and left. we have heard that before. he is destroying the labor movement, which is a good thing. getting rid of the communists, the socialists, fine. there is right-wing elements, ultranationalist elements at the other extreme. he is kind of controlling them. so we should have a kind of a tolerant attitude toward him. actually, the most interesting case is george kennan, great, revered diplomat. he was the american coconsul in berlrlin. and as late as 1941, he was still writing pretty favorable comments about hitler, saying you shouldn't be too severe there are some good things , there. we associate fascism now with the real horror stories of the holocaust and so on. but that is not the way f

could not understand how intelligent people in germany and italy had been attracted to people like mussoliniitler and what was in the nature, and we began to look at it. when i wrote thatk boo, now we have 70 years or 60 years writing that book, and study in these types of people. and it is a -- there are about best guesstimates between 25% to 30% of the population is authoritarian authoritarians, and there are two types of authoritarians to get down into the weeds a little bit. there are social dominators, and that is trump. he jumps out in front of everybody else, and follow me, because only i can solve this problem and lead you to the promised land and whatever. and then most people however that have authoritarian perso l personalities are followers, and they want a daddy figure, and they want somebody who will take the fear of life away from them and lead them and tell them what to do, and how the think, what have you. best guesstimates from the social sicientists that i talke to before the trump election thought about 25% or maybe as many as 30% of the population, and most of them are r

in some respects the guy needs to be, frankly, given the mussolini treatment. people need to rise up against him and he needs to go. but i'm also mindful, steve, of the fact you cannot remove a regime and expect there would be something to replace it unless we do what is necessary with the russians to create the political framework, not more american boots on the ground but to help encourage a political framework to find a solution to getting him out of there. host: let's go to wally from the democrats line with marc ginsburg. good morning. caller: good morning. i had two questions for the ambassador. first question is can you give us a quick history lesson on how the red line, the president obama red line, when that happened, after that, after he did nothing, didn't he in fact bring the russians -- invite the russians in to syria? host: stay on the line. that's a big question and come back with your follow-up. guest: here's what happened on the red line. there was another in a series of chemical weapons attacks that the assad regime had directly committed agai

fascists who are operating today in this country are of a different variety than the old fascists of mussolini'say. they want to shut down debate on college campuses, what they'reth doing to ann coulter, milo,en others.e they are targeting people like you, talk radio shows, if they can put us out of business -- that their ultimate goal -- they won't have to bother having a debate on issues of policy that are important to the country.ot they are fresh out of ideas, all they have is the same playbookut that frankly barack obama read from for eight years. they continue to read from -- in the days we are seeing now. a i am so glad you are on this issue and fighting back against it. we all need to band together. i don't care if you hate talk radio, like talk radio, i stand for everybody's right to have their views and opinions heard. try to keep it not profane but i respect people's rights to speak out. we can disagree but i would never shut down someone's right to speak in a public forum or og a college campus. that is so weak and lame. >> sean: it's so pathetic. this is what is so sinister and dang

thisli is not mussolini.onetheless, it is veryca disturbing that in america, somebody cannot speak because there are thugs that threaten them. >> tucker: i agree with that completely. when i was a kid, i was reading a liberal magazine, i think r everyone at the time would agree with you just said. where are those people? where is the reasonable, sensible left to defend ann coulter's right?ou >> mark green is a very smart guy. he hasy had official positions n the government in new york city. he has run for theor mayor. it happens to the best of them. >> tucker: [laughs] >>e he was pretending that we don't really havee a president. he is a divider. i don't like him so i don't have to respect his authority. this is nuts. this doesn't happen. i think it is a sign of -- of the left will not stand up for their principles, we have a president, he is elected, he has authority, legitimate authority, we proceed from there, we have free speech, we should be able to speak and not get shut down. if we can't have agreement

i grammar is very catholic, rosa, and she stands up and denounces mussolini on acharne -- on a chair in a town square. then the leave italy and go to argentina and there's huge population of italians in argentina. buenos aires is considered the little italy of south america and there's a sense of presence of spaniards and italians in the town. the family moves to argentina, his grandmother is introduce dosed to if grand father and he raises her first son, pope francis, teaches him the lives of the saints saints and how toy his prayers. a earthy catholic jim and if you go town to -- go into the neighborhood in buenos boundaryu really feel like it's almost your in europe. and from that grows and develops jorge mario brogoio. he is argentinian but his family and roots are in italy. he speaks in italian. born speaking spanish and italian so he has this unique foot of being from the south america, the americas but also having a foot in italy. and understanding that culture, understanding that sense of catholicism that he was raised by obviously his mother and father, but by his priests wh

this is not mussolini.e the less, it is very disturbing that in america somebody cannot speak because there are thugs who threaten violence. >> tucker: i agree with that completely. i started reading you when i was a kid liberal magazine the new republic. everything would agree what you just said. where are the not necessarily the writers but the reasonabled principled left to defend ann coulter's right to speak. >> after your first segment with mark green. mark scree green is a very smart guy. >> tucker: yes, he. >> he has run 60 times for mayor and lost. that happens to the best of them. but, i mean, he was completely -- he was pretending that we don't really have a president. because he detests it. he is a divider. i don't like him so i don't have to respect his authority. this is nuts. this doesn't happen. this is a poisoning. and i think it's a sign decadence. if the left will not stand up for the elementary principles we have a president. he is elected. he has a authority. legitimate authority. and we

dismisu did mussolini ever say talk to the hand?to nato under president obama. doug is retired lieutenant general in u.s. army also with us. former fbi special agent and army infantry officer clint watts. fellow in the foreign policy research institute program on the middle east. >> let's start with you. how disturbing is it that donald trump, the president of our united states, called an auto kat who seized power for another decade. >> on the surface, it's presidential. you' -- terrible. president trump calling someone who is a clear authoritarian, but the one thing we have to remember and i'm sure this is part of the reason they do it is we've got troops in turkey. major airbags the base there. russia has pushed to influence the country. >> mr. ambassador, do we have to deal with the devil. would you have recommended he made this phone call. >> i think it's important to realize as previous speaker just mentioned. turkey is a violate nato ally. that means that not only is it one of the 28 democracies that make up the alliance also