let me go back and try to set a historical context of the vietnam war coming down to the fall of 1966. as you know, the french colonized indochina in the 19th century. during world war ii, towards the end, the japanese were occupying indochina. they overthrew the french governing authority. they placed the french military and payment caps, and created a vietnamese government, and nationalist government. please pay attention to the word nationalism, i want to talk about this a lot. failed to do two things, the japanese. one, they did not give this government and army. you had an independent vietnam with its own government and no army. secondly, there was a special vietnamese political leader who nobody's heard of who is able -- who is a descendent of the first king of the dynasty who came to power in 1802. he was a nationalist, anti-french, in exile in japan. have a japanese brought him back in the waning months of world war ii to be the leader of vietnam, history would have been completely different. they didn't do that. the japanese then lose the war. british troops come back to sout

in mid-1966 in terms of the vietnam war. there is over 180,000 american troops in vietnam which by way of reference is about as many as were deployed to iraq and afghanistan at the height of our current wars there. the vietcong insurgency has grown from an estimate of the tens of thousands in the early 1960s, to about 280,000 fighters. there were terrorist attacks in saigon, roadside bombs are what we today call ied is. there was an active buddhist uprising which included three monks who set themselves on fire. pentagon officials understood that there was growing, that there was a growing dissolution with the south vietnamese government and for the u.s. backing at the government but they didn't understand why. it's out there on the site of good. they turned to sign to tell them understand. walter was one of these people is sent to vietnam and he believed the rorschach test which apollo at the time among psychotherapist to diagnose personality traits could be used to understand the recipient the growing insurgency. in the grow

this is the same period of the vietnam war.he communist/anti-communist conflict that took place greatly influenced the hmong people at this time. we can take a little bit more of a history, and learn more about the history of this specific situation starting with the french and how they set of colonies in the mid-1800s in vietnam and laos. laos became a protectorate or colony of the french. the french were actually accessing different resources, changing the dynamics in which people could own and use different land. we did see under french colonial rule a certain amount of oppression and also extensive taxing on local farmers and people specifically, and in particular the hmong people. this is around the 1850's, leading up to the early 1900s. and actually we start to see with world war ii, the start of world war ii in 1940, betweeen 1940 and 1945, we start to see the japanese start to come in and take over parts of laos. this creates a certain hmong hmong side in which the ethnic group took. instead of siding with the japanese,

when we know so clearly our parents, my dad, my brothers are americans to fight the vietnam war. how come nobody knows about us? we helped americans. our uncles and aunts aunts only people died during this war, how come nobody knows about us? that's when you realize we are truly a secret as it was called the secret war. the americans really did not know about us. right now we are at the valene l. smith museum of anthropology at california state university chico campus. we are one of the only museum of anthropology in the north state of california. we cater to a large public audience. the current exhibit is called "hmong reflections: stories of our own." it is a specific exhibit on the hmong population and her journey from southeast asia to the united states. it is an exhibit not just for the hmong but of the hmong, trying to understand their journey, their hardships, their challenges, but also their determination to create a new life in the united states. this is the first part of our exhibit. this is a put together section called hmong beginnings. this introduces the visitor to t

han were killed in the entire vietnam war. han were killed in the entire vietnam war. this is an issue that has been covered more recently than it ever has before, but we are still not seeing the response commensurate with if this were any other set of illnesses. we would be reacting a lot more aggressively. soledad: you wrote a book about your addiction called "common struggle addiction." it really works through your personal story. it seems to me the kennedys, as i'm sure you heard a million times, are addiction." it really works through your personal story. america's royalty, and if you are well off in america and you are an addict, you have a different path compared to if you have no money and no assets and you are an asset -- addt. rep. kennedy: what is common about being a kennedy? the irony is, i kept my family secrets, my mother's alcoholism, my dad self-medicating through posttraumatic stress, all to myself, not realizing that all of these things were written about in books all through the bookstore. yet i was paralyz

government's decision making into the vietnam war. he was acquitted on all charges. elsberg sees a lot of similarities about what is happening now to the vietnam war. >> unless we reach some agreement, some arrangement with the russia who are backing assad, there's a danger in this case of a much greater war than was true even in vietnam. >> elsburg went on to call the current situation between the u.s., russia and syria as quote ominous. >> the entertainment world is mourning the loss of comedian and actor charlie murphy. >> my forehead is bumping, man. >> that was a clip from one of murphy's most well-known stints on chappelle's show. the older brother to eddie murphy. he lost his battle to leukemia. he was just 57 years old. >> here at 11:00 the cumberland county spca is now caring for more than 2 dozen chihuahuas. but soon they'll need to find a permanent place to stay. they weren't being properly cared for. the workers are cleaning them up and checking them out before putting them up for adoption. >> talking about the weather now in the summer-like feel it's con

we need to go to sanctions -- host: i want to take your parallel to the vietnam war. guest: the caller is correct. the north koreans are adept at digging deep tunnels and hiding things. and, perhaps, the u.s. intelligence service where these facilities are and the nuclear arsenal, but it is not known in the public domain. there was an agreement that had frozen an earlier attempt at constraining the program, where we knew that the north korean material for weapons was located at a specific site. when relations deteriorated, they moved the materials, so we lost track of it. in the koreanr peninsula -- and that is really why i have gone there in terms of discussing it -- as it beyond -- in theoption mid-1990's, the commander of u.s. forces in korea said that a war on the korean peninsula would be one million casualties and $1 trillion. that was in the mid-1990's. this would be a horrific war. of bomb,k to my mantra negotiator, acquiesce. we do not want to end up acquiescing or bombing. we have to put this analytic option. now working at a think pink and not on the nation

born in new york city and graduating from radcliffe college she came of age as a journalist in the vietnam war era. in 1972 he published fire in the lake, the vietnamese and americans in vietnam. a history of vietnam and the united states military involvement in the country. the book was awarded a pulitzer prize, bancroft prize and a national book award. she has since offered numeral critical works on american history and have appeared and publications such as the new yorker, rolling stone. tonight fitzgerald will discuss her most recent book, evangelicals. the struggle to shape america. she traces the history of protestant and evangelism from its beginning in the great awakenings of the 18th and 19 th centuries to its current influence and intersection of the religious and political life she also is explores the future of the evangelical movement and america undergoing significant demographic and cultural change. the book has received quite critical acclaim for its scope, detail and timeliness. the new york times book report call that quote anyone. estate of a conservative american product is

so after the vietnam war to see if the field offices were closed down in the late agency was transformed and then to name the vietnam office so the '80s was a different period by the time it gets to the 1990's and the cold war darpa what do we do dryexx what is the mission? so tell me something that came out of that there was a long pause and something about a propeller and he was laughing there was nothing. it is a problem-solving agency that comes up with solutions to military problems. so when it was forced into dual-use. so with that economic innovation that customer happens to be the pentagon. other wise it is a draft. and then to have no expertise. >> so people know what to bid on. >> but that technology started off classified with the washington metropolitan area. so how you transition back to the commercial world? so with us spinoff and the let me tell you to sit there be a voice recognition technology that darpa ability that would enable the success over the years that the deep pockets to fund it at the time the comptroller was one of my former bosses started talking to his lapt

judge jeanine: you remember the vietnam war, stop being omit cal. >> i don't really remember the vietnamar. but i think that the reaction was for them. we support the men and women fighting for our country. judge jeanine: lisa? lisa: you had nancy pelosi as well as schumer voice their support for what president obama did in response to syria. we have seen by pat a support after he took that action. this flies in the face one of the biggest criticisms of him. hillary clinton ran ads saying he can't be trusted with the nuclear code. chris: nobody knew where the aircraft carrier group was. judge jeanine: what do you think the president is going to continue to do going forward? will he continue to have these rallies? because this is where he connects. chris: i think he will do it. he loves it. but he has to into the down. he has to start appealing to a broader group of people. lisa: i think the way he appeals to a broader group of people is put pressure on congress to get healthcare and tax reform done and push forward on the jobs and economy aspect. and i think he will bring a lot of people

was still mired in vietnam and for most americans, war was no laughing matter.ew sitcom called "mash," proved that wartime satire was just what the country needed and its legacy would last longer than the 1970 feature film by the same name. "i got the phone call from my agent that gene reynolds, who was producing a t-v series called mash, from a movie that was made called mash, which i had never seen and there was a part in it for me and they were paying 250 dollars for the day. and i didn't have to read for it. all i had to do was come in." "i arrived at 20th century fox studio and gene was waiting for me and he ushered into a trailer which had a woman's army corps uniform dress and the most enormous high heels i had ever seen. i looked at the brand name and it was called el grande, which means 'the big one' (laughs). so, i thought i was dressing with an actress. and he said, 'no, no, no, no.those are yours, put them on.' and i went 'oh my goodness, what kind of a part is this?' so i put the wac's outfit on, the woman's army corps uniform on. and i put the big

speech and he's angry at the student protesters and he's ngry about the conduct in the vietnam war and at lyndon johnson. 1980, his conservetism has become refined but his message changed. it's more optimistic. it's more projecting a belief in privacy idual and the and dignity of the individual. so it becomes very, very subtle nuanced by 1980 host: david is calling from maryland on our democratic line. hi, david. caller: hi. the political divide oday, i wondered if people wonder when it started and i reagan heory that when was elected, he came in and tore panels on the demonize e and democrats. i wonder if you have any comment he demonize ose emocrats in the same way they demonize him. that's politics. town the he did take solar panels. they were symbolic. they didn't work. electricity than they generated. so reagan had them taken down symbolic for carter to have them put up, it was symbolic for reagan to take down. as far as the political divide, you would have to go back to has always ation been divided. there were political scientists who will say that it's possible that a majority

. >> your member in the nine states in june of 1982, we had the largest demonstration since the vietnam warbout the nuclear issue. there were 28 members of that demonstration, of that 28 54 members of communist party or members of the u.s. affiliate of the world peace council. the five were able to convince the other 23. the focus was on nato missiles and not on the eastern missiles. it was a further reinforcement of the line they were trying to push hard. announcer: another type of active measure is the agent of influence. he has firsthand knowledge of this activity. >> they use practically any type of actions to try to get to people's cooperation --trying to get people's cooperation. first of all they are trying to recruit agents of influence. without agents of influence, the soviets would never be able to implement any measures. >> the best recent example came in west germany where he turned out to be an east german by. -- spy. >> he is supposed to be able to influence public opinion or business circles our government circles -- or government circles. in japan, the most important soviet

the budget sword during apollo and then retrenched as the vietnam war was starting up. you cannot afford to spend that much. but the budget has gone down in the last 20 years. nasa has to do more with less. things are expensive and technology is challenging. it's a very important space player, but now there are new players. probably three dozen private space companies. a few funded by billionaires and have other investors. in the aggregate, these private space enterprises rival nasa's budget and will eventually exceeded. >> host: are they cooperating with each other? >> guest: with nasa, i think there's frustration on that that things are moving so slowly. the space shuttle was obsolete technology by the time it was retired. it is not loved universally. some of the private space companies wanted to do their own things. yvonne maas wants to reinvent rockets from the ground up. there was rivalry. but recently there's cooperation. first of all the private space companies to not have a good business model yet. so over time with spacex and several others have multibillion-do

government decision making about the vietnam war. acquitted on all charges. sees similarity between vietnam and what's happening now with russia. >> unless we reach some agreement, some arrangement with the russians there's a danger in this case of a much greater war than was true even in vietnam. >>> also called the current situation between the u.s., russia, syria ominous. >>> positive news for health care in new jersey. national survey shows quality is improving at new jersey hospitals. report by hospital safety fwrad ranks new jersey 15th for best at protecting patients from harm. that's up from 22nd last year. pennsylvania and delaware did fair as well. pennsylvania ranked 34th. delaware came in 47th. >>> college professors and support staff at new jersey state colleges in atlantic and gloucester county spent part of their day on the picket line. more than 10,000 union members. they've been working nearly two years without a contract. union and state officials remain at odds over professor salaries and raises. >>> seven minutes after 5:00. the wind is bl

he waited until more americans died in the entire vietnam war if he had moved faster with common-sense and compassion we may have done a much better job to prevent what became a goal pandemic and an overwhelming tragedy. >> host: "when we rise" my life in the movement". cleve jones is the author. live coverage of the 22nd annual l.a. times festival of bucks held on the campus of universities southern california you can watch the full schedule today at booktv.org we will be doing a call in later on the book the mother of all questions but right now let's go inside to another panel on writing history. live coverage on booktv. [inaudible conversations] >> i am not putting down fiction i have aspiration for anybody who can write a great fiction that they were talking about what kind of book tells the story about what you already know? widely read the book widely read books about what you know about because you need to know more. so of the great writers of fiction that meursault popular you're not reading the information and to see what happens in these books will we are discussing today wi

he waited until more americans died in the entire vietnam war if he had moved faster with common-sense and compassion we may have done a much better job to prevent at

that's when i found the speech that he gave at riverside on the vietnam war, which i continue to believe was one of the most courageous and powerful speeches he ever gave. it embraced a world view, the way of thinking about the american identity that was global and transcended the boundaries of the south and the borders of this country. it was such a courageous speech, i was never able to forget it or able to walk away from it. it's been instructed to me about what is required from leaders. they have to do things that are unpopular, that doesn't help them build support and connections with people. but, they have to do things their conscious requires of them. you can see dr. king in that speech, struggling to get to that point. i remember the thing i was moved by the most when i read the speech the first time, it grieved dr. king to have to talk about his country in this way. >> he called it, as you recall, a vocation of agony. >> and it just spoke to the difficulty of having to push this country in that way. i think that oftentimes, critics and people who challenged the government and th

. -- eisenhower about.us f guback to the 1980, it was admitted what started the vietnam war was a lie. saddam hussein gassed children, that turned out to be a lie. question we need to everything. this is ridiculous people just this. host: john, herndon, virginia, democrats line. john, go ahead. caller: good morning. thanks for taking my call. make sure people understand. people should get used to it presidents etent running this country for next four years. you have to understand one putin knows about donald trump is not capable of will take ing and he advantage every possible way. he will engage in europe. hewill engage united states, will see that how far we have to now our words t doesn't mean anything. when we say something, we don't up, we -- 59 missile to assad show us, see, i'm still flying that base you ombed, you guys had nothing to do with me. reality, this president will say something and we will saying that what he is was a lie. he say the barack obama nothing happened. -- says attacked rice and found lying.was the words have to mean something, president of the united stat

i think we have lost humanity in your country since the vietnam war. i don't think we have ever healed and have been in one war after the other. to drop the mother of all bombs on other human beings and be cheerful about it? to do the horrible things we keep doing as the world becomes closer and sees this is an absolute despair. to lock people up you have to label them first. i have a people that work in prison and i said to them haven't you seen the people? how many would you say are mentally ill or got mentally ill since placed in there and they laugh and say at least 50% of them and i'm like so that is the way we treat people instead of having care? and it is very easy to become labelled. now we have a dangerous president that labels women are going to be put so back, anybody that is low they laugh at education, science. everything good that would unite music that brought people together. we have lost all of that and continual war. continually war somewhere. >> host: i think we got the point, margaret. let's hear from chris hayes. >> guest: i think t

, bemoans the fact that appalachian whites, many of whom fought in the vietnam war, should be held as accountable for its execution as those who designed it. "all wasps were considered to be the same in this environment. as if they had landed together on the same ship at plymouth rock and the smart ones had gone to boston while the dumbest had somehow made their way to west virginia." essentially what is happening is what vance and webb are doing is claiming their whiteness apart. they're saying we're just as white as the anglo-saxon protestants. but in our time, and the 21st century, to claim scots irish ancestry is to say i may be white, but i'm not like those north easterners. i am not like the elites on the coast. how did claiming scots irish identity evolve from an attempt to have an expanded definition of whiteness to a regional different whiteness apart in the 21st century? it is clear the transformation occurred because of the cultural wars of the 20th century. some would argue it is a rejection of language of right and privilege that white privilege by some who saw their w

>> well, first, in the vietnam war, we exaggerated china's leverage over north vietnam and we need to do that over north korea. the chinese do not like having an erratic regime on their quarter. they don't want a prowestern unified korea. so they're not going to help us unify the peninsula. it is not in their interest to have a nuclear accident occur on their border. there are a number of this i thinks that they could do. it is in the in their interest for the kim's family to do something stupid and launch an attack on south korea. >> do you think china will do something? >> well, i am not in prediction, martin. i do believe that the united states and china have some common interests in dealing with north korea. one of them is not pushing north korea in such that this regime is doing something stupid. the real danger is we over react. there are regime that's constantly worried that we'll attack them. notice their language and they talk about realatitaliationreta. they are saying we are ready to retaliation if you through weapons against it. i am simply saying that we are dealing with

we talked about the contentious time of the vietnam war, draft cases, and conscientious contenders. -- talked about vinson vincent frankston's mcgee. >> very few people have had a glimpse of this and practicing law with him or for him. that's his humanity and empathy. he separated that, he had the ability to do that, from his decision-making and legal cases. when i started my clerkship in september of 1969, it was the height of the vietnam war and the selective service cases were flooding the courts. we had a case that was involving vincent francis mcgee. use a student at a seminar. he claimed to be a conscientious objector, and it was clear from the record of the case that he was. the selective service ward classified him 18. that means eligible immediately for induction. and they did not appeal. he was called up and he refused to be inducted claiming he was a conscientious objector. he was tried and convicted in the southern district and sentenced to two years in prison. healed and -- he appealed and the question was whether he had to exhaust his remedies in the selective service sy

i have this vague memory from my youth that when the troubles broke out during the vietnam war he was the one who actually was brought in by the corporations to try to put physical back together again in a loving way. i have some memory of having talked to him, though i would did not know if i was asked. he was took institutional culture and duration as a serious task for a person of parts. he really wasn't supposed to become a judge, you know that. because he fell in love with english legal history. he had been seduced by charles madeleine and took a year or maybe to a broad, looking through english look legal history tons of files picking might well have been the lord from his natural vocation -- lowered. i know this is a store, i can't find it in his book, that julian mac was dispatched by his mother or his father to bring him back to the staples. and made a deal with them that you should try one year of law school and if you like it then fine, and if he didn't he could leave. apparently the method of selection was that in the first year of class something was written about by the

let's go to mccarthy or hom hayden on the vietnam war.attention to the vietnam war. it is a tactic. it is a colorless strategy used effectively by dr. king for civil rights, by gandhi to get independence from india, vietnam protests for which i was part of for a bit. >> jeffrey? jeffrey, that's a reach. do you remember -- >> it is not a reach, don. >> you remember what happened with sean spice we are a very ill thought out comparison as well. some things you just -- some comparisons you just don't make. >> dr. king wanted to shut things down to draw attention to the lack of civil rights. he was right to do so. i believe it then. i believe it passionately now. >> i think you're very -- >> i talked a lot about on cnn about the importance of protest and protest is designed to make people uncomfortable. the way jeffrey talks about the tactics that dr. king and other sill rights leaders used, it really does not encapsulate everything going on the people were pudding boditting bodies an the line because their right to exist was being threatened

african-american soldiers served in vietnam, some willingly and some not, but they all took pride in their service and did utmost to serve their country, a tradition that carried on in earlier warsamerican history and since the vietnam era. the vietnam tour jacket was a common momento acquired by soldiers on r & r, where they would have them embroidered with symbols of their service. in this particular instance an african-american had it adorned with symbols of black power, representing his dual commitment both to the black power movement and to his own service in the vietnam war. also in this area of a changing america exhibition on the black power era is elements of the flawed concerns, basically a renovation of the new negro movement or the harlem renaissance of the early 20th century, a concern with literature, with culture, with representation. so particularly the development of black women writers, black feminists, critique of american society, the development and growth of shirley chisolm as the first black woman to run for major party nomination, for the presidency, a political force. on all of those levels through culture, politics, popular culture representation in mas

african-americans served in vietnam, some willingly, some reluctantly, but they took pride in their service and did their utmost to serve their country, a tradition which had continued on from earlier warserican history and since the vietnam era. the vietnam tour jacket was a common memento acquired by soldiers on r and r, often in okinawa, where they would have them embroidered with symbols of their service. in this particular instance, and -- instance, an african-american soldier not only had a tour jacket made to commemorate his service in vietnam, but he had it adorned with symbols of black power representing his dual commitment both to the black power movement and to his own service in the vietnam war. also in this area of the changing america exhibition on is elementswer era, of the broad concerns. basically, a renovation of the new negro movement or the harlem renaissance of the 20th century, concerned with literature, culture, representation. particularly, the development of black women writers, black feminists, critique of society, the development and growth of charlie chisholm is the first black woman to run for a major party nomination for the presidency. a political force on

it was also the era of the anti-vietnam war movement where hundreds of thousands of people knew that they could congregate to question the government's policy for having gotten us into a pointless war. and so at the very end of the 1960s, on june 28th, 1969, at the stonewall inn, young gay people decided that they had to fight back. and that began a very militant gay liberation movement that has since become much more complex and diverse. it's become a mainstream movement now. but it wouldn't have been possible without, as you say, the sexual liberation movement, the black liberation movement, the anti-vietnam movement and other movements as well. >> host: next call comes from roger in east lake, ohio. hi, roger. >> guest: hi, roger. >> caller: i'm surprised i got through this quick. the thing that bothers me about this whole transgender watt room thing is it seems -- bathroom thing is it seems to have started at least on one side by people in washington who kind of decided without knowing what the heck's going on. it seems to be one side is rather subjective. there was a kid i heard

. >> host: what about deferment from the vietnam war wax. >> there was a lot going on at the time. voting for the iraq war young men and women put into harm's way and then to attack and sabotage the war that is treasonous. whatever your views of the iraq war is treasonous. >> host: do you talk with any of your old friends from the '60s? yes. we have a good time we year-old geezers now. when we were younger way in the past. >> prior to his death had talked with tom hayden? >> once. he was a very dishonest person and in america hater he manipulated people put them in harm's way in this the author of the riot at the 68 convention he said to me dated --, and we have to do was put them into this situation so the police will crackdown and i was horrified. i anything nice to say about tom hayden. >> host: north carolina go-ahead. >> caller: mr. horowitz has president trump read your broken? kenny stand the pressure of the onslaught of the next four years from the last 100 days? >> that is the $100,000 question right there. my but shows it is hard to fight the democrats. trump is very tough

then as i wrote the book about how the vietnam war affected my generation, i saw, really, quite a tragic relationship developing between what we call the g.i. generation and the boomers. right after that, of course, the g.i.s separated into their own culture, basically abandoning the culture for the boomers in return for a substantial reward in the form of entitlements programs in return. it wasn't a very happy ending to the generation gap that we all remember. i think that that's how i came both to the question of generations and to a way of looking at american history a little bit differently -- starting in families and looking at people moving through time. brian: how did you get to the supreme court page job in the first place? william: well, that was the result of the hard work of my g.i. parents, especially my mother, who was very typical of the "leave it to beaver" kind of household that we saw in the 1950's -- a mother who couldn't do enough for her children. it was also typical of the kindnesses that people showed towards children back in those days. i certainly felt as i was gr

i have a vague memory from my youth that when the troubles broke out during the vietnam war he was the one actually was brought in other corporations to try to put fiscal back together again in a loving way. he even had that i even had some memory of having talked to him bubut i would unite out if aske. he really took institutional culture and duration as a serious task for a person of parts. he really wasn't supposed to become a judge, you know that. because he fell in love with english legal history. he had been seduced by charles malco wayne took a year or maybe to a broad, looking through english legal history tones and files. he might well have been lured from his natural vocation but i'm told, i just know this as a steward. i can't find any book, that julian mac was dispatched by his mother or his father to bring him back to the stables and made a deal within that you should try one year of law school and if you like it then fine, and he didn't secretly. and apparently the method of seduction was in the first year of class something was read aloud by the professor in law french.

heroes, but if your viewers don't know reverend barber, he spoke at riverside church against the vietnam war, warning the people of to much materialism, too much -- too much militarism and too much poverty. he leads a movement that is multiracial, that is of justice, of rights. he asks -- when did voting rights become of -- become a left right issue. when did keeping the water clean, our air clean, we need to think hard about core principles and think beyond name-calling and label calling. host: we have calls for you. this is dave, from armstrong creek, wisconsin. you are on with katrina vanden heuvel. go ahead. caller: i would like to id -- agree with you about the idea of some sort of single-payer health care system. with a market-based system relying on profits as a motive, those costs are always going to go up. i would like to remind people of their that get their health insurance through their employer, this is part of your wages. if we had a single-payer system, we would be paying for it through taxes, but i think this would benefit the employers, also. there is a car manufacturer that

. >> host: what about deferments from the vietnam war. >> guest: i don't understand good stance is and what was going on at the time. the democratic party voted for the iraq war company sent men and women into harm's way and turned around 180 degrees. that is treasonous. you know, whatever your view of the iraq war, with the democrats date is treasonous.lk wit >> host: david horowitz, and you talk with any of your old friends for the 60s? >> guest: we have a good time. where old geezers now.. our battles, which are pretty serious when we were younger. i did good time with them. postal prior to his death have you talked with tom haydee? >> guest: tom, he had a very bad life affair. he was a very dishonest person. he was an american hater. he manipulated people. he put them in harms way and hit himself. he's the author of the 1916 democratic convention. he once said to me, what we have to do is we have to lower middle-class student situation where police will crack there had been make them radical. i don't have anything nice to say. >> host: generational odyssey came out in the 97. calli

i remember a man called hugh thomson, who was a us helicopter pilot during the vietnam war.erican troops. he flew low over a clearing, and he saw something that stayed in his mind until he died. he saw the picture of american troops massacring villagers, unarmed villagers, in a little place called my lai, which became known, notoriously, as — as the my lai massacre. and he stopped — he brought the helicopter down, and told his men to train their guns on their fellow american soldiers, who were garrotting, raping, shooting, and stabbing unarmed villagers, vietnamese villagers. and he said, "unless you stop, i'm going to open fire and we will kill you all". and he stopped it. it took 30 years before anybody said "thank you". but you were ostracised for a while, weren't you? yep. for a while, yep. you would go to the officers‘ mess and everybody would disappear. yeah. actually, when it first broke, and people didn't know the facts, and they — they forgot all about it very soon after it happened. but personally, you paid a heavy price in terms of depression, didn't you, over the