and i always knew they saw what had happened with john scully and steve jobs in the 1980's, it was theirompany, and my job was to make their company successful. david: when you were interviewed, was it the normal interview? eric: well, what happened is, i walked into their office and it was a tiny office in this incredibly crowded building, which google still has by the way, and this tiny little office, they have lots of food, and they had my biography on the wall. and they proceeded to ask each and every question that was possible against the biography. and i had never been so thoroughly questioned, and i had just gone to visit. and they came to a product that i was building at novell, and they said, this is the stupidest product ever made. which i of course had to respond to. david: and you didn't think you were going to get the job after they said that? eric: i did not realize it was a job interview. as i left the building, which was curiously a building i had when i worked at the sun years earlier, to show you how history repeats itself, i knew i would be back. david: so when you did