captured by these powerful private interests when we know that the former public protector, thulisile nomkhosiport which provided evidence that state capture was happening, and that she said that we now need in south africa an independentjudicial investigation? that is a call that has been repeated in the recent past from cyril ramaphosa and yet you have failed to establish this independentjudicial inquiry. why? steve, you will know that as much as there seems to be an overwhelming view which is contested in our country, thulisile nomkhosi's report is a subject of contestation. remember, there was a long debate and argument around that, including the evidence that was supposed to be led and given by the president and by all those who were actually implicated. so, it is not correct to suggest that that report is cast in stone. the report is being contested by people implicated in the report. the fact is, when we hear of stories which have evidence base, of brown paper bags stuffed with cash being offered to politicians if they will do the bidding of, and you name them, they denied it, but you h

that as much as there seems to be an overwhelming view which is contested in our country, thulisile nomkhosi'sis a subject of contestation. remember, there was a long debate and argument around that, including the evidence that was supposed to be led and given by the president and by all those who were actually implicated. so, it is not correct to suggest that that report is cast in stone. the report is being contested by people implicated in the report. the fact is, when we hear of stories which have evidence base, of brown paper bags stuffed with cash being offered to politicians if they will do the bidding of, and you name them, they denied it, but you have named them, the gupta family, then it is clear that there is something rotten at the heart of the south african government, and without an independent judicial commission of inquiry i am struggling to see how are to convince anybody that the government is taking this seriously. if you talk about state capture and you are not biased in relation to the guptas, you will be very clear that that report is under contestation. those who gave ev