my name is denis mcdonough i will be your host today. we were joined by anne-marie slaughter. we will discuss her exciting new book. which is called the trust board and the web. is one of several books that she has written. she is currently sealed new america. for my director policy planning of the state department and formerly dean of the woodrow wilson school of public international affairs at princeton. what's important, those are just some of her past assignments. and a very illustrious career. what's important i think in terms of today's discussion is that you will see in her background and in the book that she is both a practitioner as well as a theorist.for as a teacher. a professor of international affairs. it is an exciting opportunity to discuss her new book, "the chess board and the web".when we jumped right and to anne-marie, tells a little bit about the thesis of the book and way decided to write it now. >> it is great to speak with you denis mcdonough. and to be able to reflect on both of our experiences actually as foreign policy practitioners. i have been writi

she is interviewed by denis mcdonough, former white house chief of staff and the obama administration in 2013 to 2016. >> what would strike me as we knew there was a world of states. if you think about north korea or iran or china and russia, that world of state to state relations is still very important. i think of it as a chessboard world. it is the world of how do we beat our adversaries. we think about a move and we try to anticipate what move they are going to make. that world is very important, but equally important is what i call the world of the web. that world of criminal networks, including terrorists, but also arms traffickers and drug traffickers. the world of business which increasingly big network supply chains, global corporations, and the world of nongovernmental organizations. i think of all those actors as web actors, increasingly important actors. but we don't have strategies for how to bring them together. >> watch afterwards, sunday night at 9:00 a.m. eastern on c-span2's book tv. wheret about -- >> this is american history tv on c-span3. we are live at the civil

she is interviewed by denis mcdonough, former white house chief of staff and the obama administration in 2013 to 2016. >> what would strike me as we knew there was a world of states. if you think about north korea or iran or china and russia, that world of state to state relations is still very important. i think of it as a chessboard world. it is the world of how do we beat our adversaries. we think about a move and we try to anticipate what move they are going to make. that world is very important, but equally important is what i call the world of the web. that world of criminal networks, including terrorists, but also arms traffickers and drug traffickers. the world of business which increasingly big network supply chains, global corporations, and the world of nongovernmental organizations. i think of all those actors as web actors, increasingly important actors. but we don't have strategies for how to bring them together. >> watch afterwards, sunday night at 9:00 a.m. eastern on where2's book tv.>> just about -- >> this is american history tv on c-span3. we are live at the civil w

denis mcdonough, former white house chief of staff in the obama administration. >> we knew that there was a s and stateate threats. today if you think about north korea or iran or china and russia, that world of state to state relations is still very, very important, and i think of it as the chessboard world, because it is the world of how do we essentially beat our adversaries. we think about a move and we try to anticipate what move they are going to make. that world is there and it is very important. equally important is what i call the world and the web, the world of criminal networks including terrorists would also drug traffickers. , which isof business increasingly a big network supply chain, global corporations, and the world of nongovernmental organizations. i think of all of those actors actors, increasingly important actors. but we don't have strategies for how to bring them together. "after words," tonight at 90 5 p.m. eastern on c-span2's booktv. >> "washington journal" continues. host: a chance to hear what you're thinking our remaining 25 minutes on "washington journal,

she is interviewed by denis mcdonough, former white house chief of staff in the obama administration to 2016. >> we knew there was a world of states. if you think about north korea of state tot world state relations is still important. i think of it as the chessboard world because it is the world of how do we beat our adversaries. we think about a moment and try to anticipate what moved they are going to make. to anticipatetry what move they are going to make. web,ly important is the the world of business, network supply chains, big business, and nongovernmental organizations. i think of those as web actors, increasingly important actors, but we don't have strategies for how to bring them together. on c-spanfter words 2's book tv. weekend book tv is live from the 33rd annual chicago tribune lit fest in chicago. our coverage today starts at 11:30 a.m. eastern. 2013 national book award winner and his book. dyson at 1:00 by michael in his book, tears we cannot stop. -- sidneythey blumenthal, his book on abraham lincoln. on sunday, our coverage continues with heather and thompson and her

slaughter is interviewed by denis mcdonough, former white house chief of staff in the obama administration>> we knew that there was a s and stateate threats. today if you think about north korea or iran or china and russia, that world of state to state relations is still very, very important, and i think of it as the chessboard world, because it is the world of how do we essentially beat our adversaries. we think about a move and we try to anticipate what move they are going to make. that world is there and it is very important. equally important is what i call the world and the web, the world of criminal networks including terrorists would also drug traffickers. , which isof business increasingly a big network supply chain, global corporations, and the world of nongovernmental organizations.

she is interviewed by denis mcdonough, former white house chief of staff in the obama administrationm 2013 to 2016. world ofw there was a state and state threats. if you think about north korea or iran or sometimes china and russia, that world of state to state relations is still very important and i think of it as the chessboard world because it is the world of how do we beat our adversaries, and we think about a move and we try to anticipate what move they are going to make. that world is very important, but equally important is what i call the world of the web, that world of criminal networks including terrorist, but also arms traffickers and drug traffickers. the world of business, which is increasingly network supply chains, global corporations in the world of nongovernmental organizations. those withall of actors as increasingly important actors, the we don't have strategies for how to bring them together. >> watch after 9:00 p.m. eastern on c-span two j cable tv -- c-span2's bookkeeping. >> -- book tv. >> washington jol

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he, denis mcdonough, others, were extremely cautious in this regard.sident obama didn't want to endorse hillary clinton during the primary over bernie sanders. still, he wanted to stand back. you can certainly criticize him, you know, for not raising a red flag during the fall on this, but i'm talking about his mind-set throughout was very much not to be seen as putting a thumb on the scale and i think it is true. they really thought hillary was going to win. >> one of the things, steve, that keeps getting lost in this conversation is the fact that russia meddled in this election and there was no real strong retribution for what they did. in that "washington post" reporting, something that stands out to me i wanted to ask you about was this program that the obama administration implemented that would create implants inside russia's infrastructure and if russia tried to do something again, those would be set off it would cause havoc in russia and that might deter them from doing it again. would that be enough to keep them from interfering in our democra

miss slaughter is interviewed by denis mcdonough, former white house chief of staff in the obama administration from 2013 to 2016. >> what would strike me was that we knew there was a world of states and state threats. today if you think about north korea or iran or sometimes china and russia, that world of state to state releases is still very, very important and i think of it as the chess board world because it's the world of how do we essentially beat our adversaries and we think about a move and we try to anticipate what move they're going to make. and that world is there and it's very important. but equally important is what i call the world of the web. that world of criminal networks including terrorists but also arms traffickers and drug

miss slaughter is interviewed by denis mcdonough, former white house chief of staff in the obama administration from 2013 to 2016. >> what would strike me was that we knew there was a world of states and state threats. today if you think about north korea or iran or sometimes china and russia, that world of state to state releases is still very, very important and i think of it as the chess board world because it's the world of how do we essentially beat our adversaries and we think about a move and we try to anticipate what move they're going to make. and that world is there and it's very important. but equally important is what i call the world of the web. that world of criminal networks including terrorists but also arms traffickers and drug traffickers, the world of business which increasingly big network supply chains, global corporations and the world of nongovernmental organizations. i think of all those actors as web actors as increasingly important actors but we don't have strategies for how to bring them together. >> watch after words, sunday night at 9:00 p.m. eastern on c-span2's bo

slaughter is interviewed by denis mcdonough, former white house chief of staff in the obama administration from 2013 to 2016. >> what would strike me was that we knew there was a world of states and state threats. today, if you think about north korea or iran or sometimes china and russia, that world of state-to-state relations is still very, very important, and i think of it as the chess-board world because it's the world of how do we essentially beat our adversaries, and we think about a move and we try to anticipate what move they're going to make. and that world is there, and it's very important. but equally important is what i call the world of the web, that world of criminal networks, including terrorists but also arms traffickers, drugs traffickers, the world of business, which increasingly big network supply chains, global corporations, and the world of non-governmental organizations. i think of all those actors as web actors, as increasingly important actors, but we don't have strategies for how to bring them together. >> watch "after words" sunday night at 9:00 p.m. eastern on c-

she is interviewed by denis mcdonough. >> what was struck me was that we do there was a world of states and state threads. if you think about north korea or iran or sometimes china and that world of state to state relations is still very important. the chessboards world because it is the world of how do we essentially beat our adversaries. we think about a move and we try to anticipate what moves they are going to make. that world is there and it is very important. but equally important is what i call the world of the web, that world of criminal networks, including terrorists, arms traffickers and drug traffickers. , which isof business increasingly big network supply chain, global corporations. and the world of nongovernmental organizations. i think of all those actors as web actors, as increasingly important actors. but we don't have strategies for how to bring them together. >> watch "afterwards," tonight on c-span2's book tv. >> on monday at the white house, president trump announced his plan to privatize the nations and traffic control system, separating the operation from the fede

she is interviewed by denis mcdonough, former white house chief of staff in the obama administrationfrom 2013-2016. >> what would strike me was that we knew there was a world of states, today think about north korea or iran or sometimes china and russia, that world of states and stat state relations is ver, very important. i think of it as the chessboard world because it's the world of how do we essentially beat our adversaries, and we think about a move and we try to anticipate what move they're going to make. and that world is there and it's very important, but equally important is what i call the world of the web, that world of criminal networks including terrorists but also arms traffickers and drug traffickers, the world of business which increasingly the network supply chains, global corporations, and the world of nongovernmental organizations. i think of all those actors as web actors, as increasingly important actors, but we don't have strategies for how to bring together. >> watch tonight at 9 p.m. eastern on c-span2's booktv. >> part of the thing that we have to do, because

s is interviewed by denis mcdonough, former white house chief of staff. >> we knew there was a world of .ates -- of states if you think about north korea or iran or sometimes china and russia. that world of state to state relations is still very important, and i think of it as the chessboard world because it is the world of how we essentially eat our adversaries .- beat our adversaries that world is there, and it is very important, but equally important is what i call the world of the web. the world of criminal networks including terrorists, but also arms traffickers and drug traffickers. , and the of business world of nongovernmental organizations. i think of all those actors as web actors, as increasingly important actors, but we do not have strategies for how to bring them together. >> in case you missed it on c-span, retired brigadier general gerald connolly on the possible threat of climate change on national security. >> if you go back to older field manuals, there's one from the 1980's that says wetherington rain is the most significant it is thecombat, if open seas or the hil

she is interviewed by denis mcdonough, former white house chief of staff in the obama administration from 2013-2016. >> what would strike me was that we knew there was a world of states and state rep. >> today even think about north korea or iran are sometimes china and russia, that world of state to state relations is still very, very important and i think of it as the chessboard world because it's the world of how do essentially beat our adversaries, and we think about a move and we try to anticipate what move they are going to make. that world is there and it's very important but equally important is what i call the world of the web, that world of criminal networks including terrorist but also arms traffickers and drug traffickers. the world of business which increasingly big networks supply chains, global corporations, and the world of nongovernmental organizations. i think of all those actors as web actors is increasingly important actors, but we don't have strategies for how to bring them together. >> watch "after words" sunday night at 9 p.m. eastern on c-span2's booktv. >> no

she is interviewed by the former white house chief of staff denis mcdonough in the white ho obama administration what would strike me as we knew there was a world of states and state reps today if you think about north korea or iran, are sometimes china and russia. taht world of state to state relations is still important. i think of this as the chessboard world because it is the world of, how do we essentially beat our adversaries, and we think about a move and we try to anticipate the move they will make. that world is there and it is important. but equally important is what i call the world of the ebweb, tht world of criminal networks, including terrorists, but also arms traffickers and drugs traffickers, the world of business, which is increasingly big network supply chains, global corporations, and the world of nongovernmental organizations. i think of all those actors as increasingly important actors, but we don't have strategies for how to bring them together. sundayh "afterwards," night at 9:00 p.m. eastern on c-span 2's book tv. next, former president jimmy carter and vermont senator be

we have white house chief of staff, denis mcdonough on the record. the record. we have another national security official, ben rhodes, on the record. we did a lot of interviews and we have a lot of details about those debates and why this played out the way that it did. >> any cabinet members on the record, greg? >> well, i think that -- you're making me think right now. actually, i guess we don't. i can't tell you -- i wouldn't conclude from that that we didn't talk to cabinet members or that we didn't attempt to talk to cabinet members. i mean, jeh johnson was actually testifying just this week publicly about some of this stuff. about the debates about trying to protect the election infrastructure, as the election approached. but we had conversations with, as we say nz our story, with more than three dozen officials from the obama administration and current administration, ranging from the highest levels of government to the middle ranks where a lot of these debates took place. >> gregg miller, thank you very much. speaking of, up next, we'll bring

she is interviewed by denis mcdonough, the former white house chief of staff in the obama administration from 2013-2016. >> what would strike me was, we knew there was a world of states and estate reps. when you think about north korea and iran, sometimes china and russia, the world of state to state relations is very important and i think of it as the chessboard world, because it is the world of how to we essentially beat our adversaries, and we think about a move and we try to anticipate what move they will make. and that world is there and it is very important, but equally important is what i call the world of the web, that world of criminal networks, including terrorists, but also drug traffickers. the world of business, which is increasingly big network supply chains, global corporations, and the world of nongovernmental organizations. i think of all those actors as web actors, as increasingly important actors, but we do not have strategies for had to bring them together. , sunday afterwords night at nine ago p.m. eastern on book tv. >> now a debate between the candidates in a speci

miss slaughter is interviewed by denis mcdonough, former white house chief of staff in the obama administration from 2013 to 2016. >> what would strike me was that we knew there was a world of states and state threats. today if you think about north korea or iran or sometimes china and russia, that world of state to state releases is still very, very important and i think of it as the chess board world because it's the world of how do we essentially beat our adversaries and we think about a move and we try to anticipate what move they're going to make. and that world is there and it's very important. but equally important is what i call the world of the web. that world of criminal networks including terrorists but also arms traffickers and drug traffickers, the world of business which increasingly big network supply chains, global corporations and the world of nongovernmental organizations. i think of all those actors as web actors as increasingly important actors but we don't have strategies for how to bring them together. >> watch after words, sunday night at 9:00 p.m. eastern on c-span2's bo