mr. rushdie: it was one-sided. mr. continetti: as a practitioner, we have heard about standards and practices from two people, how do you suss out the truth? what should reporters be doing? my day-to-day is trying to find some new bit of information and then confirming the information. it can be something very small, a panelnot have to be of papers. my background is in document digging and investigative reporting. i find that much more -- i feel like i am on firmer ground when i'm dealing with public records and investigative reporters. they confirm some sort of drama i the white house because find comfort in that factual basis for the things that i write. --i think to the degree access journalism, there is a proud tradition of that in american politics. and bernstein had their anonymous sources, obviously. but i think that grounding whatever you are writing in fact, that sounds obvious to say that, but rather the end and speculation by a apolitical staff with an ax to grind, i search for something concrete that i can

mr. rushdie: we can all come up with occasions when the press was hardly wrong, and also the opposite, when the press did a national service in getting things right, reporting things which people try to conceal. watergate comes to my. i think we are living -- to mind. i think we are living and part of the reason we are dealing with this is there are fewer working journalists to dig out truths and larger numbers of opinion people filling up the reportage used to fill in. there is less hard digging and that is a problem. but it seems to me we live in a changed situation. we live in a situation where on his first day in office the president of the united states declared war on the news media and declared them to be his enemy. and afterwards expanded that sought to make them the enemy of the people, a term which stalin would recognize, you know. i'm sure mr. trump is unfamiliar -- the term, but maybe he of stalin, but maybe steve bannon has if you are in a situation where the most powerful authority in the land he clears the news media to be not only his personal adversary, but also the enemy o