basically, trump has taken over the republican party. trump i think, i'm not being snide, varies from week to week bubut i will never consider trup a genuine republican. he sort of ended up there with his tax plan but it'll think he is and you seen a lot of republican leaders in congress can just step aside. on a lot of things they believe in. nafta being one good example just to accommodate trump. i don't know what happened after four years or after eight years when trump goes away. way. i'm not sure the republican party stays like that. can it succeed without having those trump voters at part of his coalition? i'm not sure. i think the republican party has a much more difficult task of going forward for the. >> ron, do you think the democrats are much more coherent in better shape than the republicans? >> first of all it is great to be here. i'm glad to be back in the place where learn most of things i learned about politics at bob shrum right-handed. but, i think that i agree with adam that there are structural reasons why for the fore

basically, trump has taken over the republican party. trump, i think, i mean -- i'm not being snide here, it varies from week to week, but i'll never consider trump a genuine republican. he sort of ended up there with his tax plan, but i don't think he really is, and i think you've seen a lot of republican leaders in congress kind of step aside on a lot of things they believe in -- nafta being one good example -- just to sort of accommodate trump. and and i don't know what happens after four years or eight years when trump goes away. i'm not sure the republican party stays like that. can it succeed without having those trump voters as part of its coalition? i'm not sure. i think the republican party has a much more difficult tack going forward for that reason. >> ron, you think the democrats are much more coherent and in better shape than the republicans? >> well, first of all, it is great to be here. i have to say it, i'm glad to be back at the place where i learned most of the things i learned about politics and did some of my best work

trump hijacked the republican party. either others will come back and take it back or they will go somewhere else. over the long-term that is logically what would happen. seemrically this does not all that shocking. thehe democratic party is oldest political party in the world and the republican party is the third. i do agree that there are structural impediments to a third party but that is different than an independent presidencyor the that very quickly depending on who the democratic nominee is in four years could be at 40% of the vote. and so i think one of the things that we look structurally at what is going on is the party of lincoln, the republican party, founded in 1854 is by 1850 the majority party in the north and west of the country. and the day that lyndon johnson signed the civil rights act there are three elected republicans in this country south of the mason-dixon line and today, it is unmistakably the country's southern party and the parties had never been but are today, they did not used to be ideologica

trump is in the process of remaking the republican party in his image. he party is going to become more trump -ish. steve, as a good man he'll hold out to the middle and here but if you look at polls, for example, republicans have changed their mind on trade. this used to be age appropriate party and it is now an anti- trade party. donald trump told republicans you know what traders, it's doing trade with foreigners and you people hate foreigners so you should hate trade. his party is starting to get that message. he's moved his party on russia. republicans used to be vehemently opposed russia and out even rank-and-file republicans have a better relationship with russia. with real question here is does the traditional republic party survive trump or does trump provides the public a party over the next four years. >> adam, i'll try it on you. is the republican party now the party of trump and, by the way, if it is, does it have to meet the rising democratic challenges of the new electorate that will over time proved decisive and presidential campaigns? >>

the republican party from 1932 until the late 70s doesn't have a coherent philosophy. democrats have a coherent philosophy and they are the party of optimism, the party of hope, party of the future. franklin roosevelt runs for president, happy days are here again, john kennedy says we need to get this country moving again. the democratic party for 32 until 76 and beyond, the party of hope, optimism and the future in the republican party is green eye shade, eat your spinach, balance the budget party and their message is me too. a lot of conservatives accused moderate republicans, me too, we can management better than the democrats, just do it better. that was their pitch. not an inspirational pitch, which is why they are in the minority from 32 until 68 and beyond. 68 was an aberration. reagan comes forward, the early leaders of the conservative movement like bill buckley and others have a coherent message that was based on the framers, founders, the constitution which had been cast aside or at least put on the sidelines from 32 on. we are reaching and iraq, go backwards

basically trump has taken over the republican party. trump, i think, i'm not being snidey, varies from week to week but i never considered trump a genuine republican. i think you see a lot of republican leaders in congress just step aside on a lot of things they believe in. nafta being one good example to accommodate trump. and i don't know what happens after four years or after eight years trump goes away. i'm not sure the republican party stays like that. i'm not sure. i think the republican party has a much more difficult task going forward for that reason. >> ron, you think the democrats are much more coherent and in much better shape than republicans? >> first of all, it is great to be here and i say it, i'm glad to be back at the place where i learned most of the things that i learned about politics and did some of my best work at bob's right hand. look, i think i would add that there are structural reasons for the foreseeable the candidates will carry label democrat and republican while i do not think that there's going to be a se

. >> is the republican party now the report -- party of trump? if it is, does it have to meet the new challenges of the electrit? how could it do that? think he is going to only be around for four years so a areof people in the party very supportive of trump. i'm not sure that the people that's trump button to the election are going to necessarily stick around. the party may be going through a crisis and reinvents where it is. will the republican -- traditional republican establishment side come back? doesn't matter anymore? i don't think it is a party of trump anymore. i don't think we will be talking about it like that in eight years. >> christian? >> when the president has unified government, and identified as the leader of the party, one thing to me that is interesting about trump is his low approval rating. that is one of the cookies that is not doing very well. usually you get a democrat who is a president replaced by a republican. you have a flurry of legislation activity if the congress is controlled by your party. that is the honeymoon.

i think in some ways being outside of the republican party and the republican scene actually made people more willing to open up right that there was less risk because the network of black republicans are fairly small. as you might imagine especially black republican advocate so everybody knows everyone else and so to be able to come in and be someone that nobody knew -- right, while presenting some challenge of also created a lot of opportunity. so in the end i feel like it helped you know not being a republican people but like we can tell this guy what's going on and we with don't have to worry about him, you know, blabbing to someone else. >> where did you get the idea? >> it agree out grew out of on a interest and more broadly. i had done some other research on, you know, classified people doing stuff qonts expect people like them to do. and pursuing abstract of line of thought look what was the case of somebody doing something you qongt wouldn't expect someone like them to do like black people or republican, so with that the idea was born. so yeah -- it is interesting buzz again it

state-by-state the new republican party was being organized and in illinois a group of anti- slavery newspaper editors invited lincoln to join them as their leader in a meeting to organize a convention of the new party for illinois. lincoln was absent at the time and recalled and believing i knew what his feelings and judgment on the vital questions of the hour were i took the liberty to cite his name to the call. john todd stewart, who you remember as lincoln's first law partner, tried to remove lincoln endorsement. he rushed into the law office and confronted him he asked if lincoln had signed the abolition call. he said i answered in the negative adding that i had signed his name myself to the question did lincoln authorize i returned and that it no. then exclaimed the startled and indignant stewards, you have ruined him. i thought i understood lincoln thoroughly herndon road but nor did i vindicate myself if a sale, i mainly sat down after stewart had left the office and wrote lincoln who was then in tazewell county attending court. a brief account of what i had done and how much

of the elites and the republican party us becausecomes party of the working class. >> it's certainly the danger. i would say we've spent the whole 2000s debating the suburbs. i do think the suburbs raert matter. mit rimny still one the electorate i'm not arguing that doesn't matter. >> great thanks everyone for being here. appreciate it that's it for the lead i'm jake tapper i turn you over to wolf blitzer in the situation room. thanks for watching. >>> happening now breaking news going it alone. president trump announces that starting today he is pulling out of the -- he is pulling the u.s. out of the paris climate agreement in which nearly 200 nations pledged to fight global warming. the president says he is ep open to northbounding a new deal that he says would be fairer to americans. growing oppositions. there were objections to the president's move within the would you say, the cabinet and the president's own family. major corporations and dozens of u.s. mayors have already signaled zma. what will the real impact be? investigati

the republican party kind of from 1932 up until the late 70s doesn't have a coherent philosophy. the democrat have a coherent philosophy and are also the party of optimism. the party of hope in the party of the future. franklin roosevelt runs for president and happy days are here again and john kennedy says we need to get this country moving again for the democratic party from 32 until basically 76 and beyond is the party of hope, optimism and the future and the publican party is the green eye shade, eager spinach, villager but it budget party. their message is basically me to his him. those are a lot of the conservatives. [inaudible] we can manage government by the democrats and will do it better. that was basically their pitch. it was a very inspirational pitch, honestly. that's why they're in the minority from 32 up until 68 and even beyond actually. it was an aberration. reagan comes forward and the early leaders of the concerta movement like bill buck and others have a coherent messagehe that was based on the founders and constitution which had been kind of pesticide or at le

there are so many disagreements within the republican party about what their priorities are. there is a lot of discontent from republicans i speak to about not knowing what the path forward would be. we heard all through the obama administration that republicans wam wanted leadership from the white house and wanted direction. they blamed the obama administration for not providing that. and frankly the trump administration is not providing that either. >> kelsen, snell, david jolly, one of them covers congress, the other escaped congress to great success. thank you both. >>> up next, guess who the president will sit down with face to face at the summit in germany? i'm afraid we gave away the surprise but we'll talk about that meeting when "the 11th hour" continues. >>> but i want to ask about this meeting with president putin coming up next week, just confirmed. and the question is whether the president will bring up election interference. it is clearly the big topic between russia right now, the fact that russia meddled in the election, will the president ask putin about that?

and they found the illinois republican party. without that it would november have existed. so -- it would not have existed. so newspaper editors and newspapers were very much intrinsic to the politic of the day. they were political players. >> host: just one of the personal things about lincoln, much is discussed recently about the death of willy, the wonderful george saunders novel, but we sometimes forget it was eddie two died during this period, and write about that. can you tell us how that loss affected lincoln and -- >> guest: this is my thinking. lincoln in the early 1850s had a beloved son namedded edward, eddie, who died. a child, very young and mary was inconsolable and so lincoln was. lincoln suffered from depression. but here's what i take away from it. mary was so inconsolable she wouldn't eat, and lincoln said, -- he comforts her. he extends his sympathy. this is lincoln who is a depresssive overcoming his depresssive out of empathy for this wife. i think it's a really important episode in his emotional life. >> host: i agree. it's very -- we dish want to make

and many us are looking for answers and leadership within the republican party. en hill republicans are answering to the same base donald trump is. it's the same voters thap. that's why nothing will change today. donald trump is a man with hate in his heart. a small and weak man with a special time of cruelty to insult a woman on the world stage over her appearance. and he owes mika brzezinski an apology but he is not going to do it. the impact internationally is leaders are looking him as the voice on the on the hill senators are cringing and distancing themselves. and ultimately sticking with him but we can't overlook the fact that the donald trump is the face of the republican party the party once proudly boefrted of isaac and tr and the bushes and reagan. he insults women and war heroes and immigrants and the disabled. that is donald trump that is today's republican party. >> kelsey i heard someone put this sarcastically tonight. what are elected republicans waiting for if they're waiting for a president apology at 36%, a health care bill apology at 12% or a p

where in the republican party are there any profiles in courage? as a name for what we've been talking about, playing both sides when a bad tweet comes out. to say that's terrible. then go back to supporting the president. the words are, tough words. one of the words is hypocrisy. other is cowardice. nobody wants informing strong but we need to see it clearly. until we have some profiles in courage, the within the party itself. this is not likely to change. >> thank you both for making time. >>> ahead, still short of the votes to pass the health care bill. they're turning to a new strategy. bribery. not my term. on what's happening behind closed doors. ahead. when i look in the mirror everyday. everyday, i think how fortunate i am. i think is today going to be the day, that we find a cure? i think how much i can do to help change people's lives. i may not benefit from those breakthroughs, but i'm sure going to... i'm bringing forward a treatment for alzheimer's disease, yes, in my lifetime, i will make sure. for her compassion and care. he spent de

where in the republican party are there any profiles in courage?name for what we've been talking about, playing both sides when a bad tweet comes out. to say that's terrible. then go back to supporting the president. the words are, tough words. one of the words is hypocrisy. other is cowardice. nobody wants informing strong but we need to see it clearly. until we have some profiles in courage, the within the party itself. this is not likely to change. >> thank you both for making time. >>> ahead, still short of the votes to pass the health care bill. they're turning to a new strategy. bribery. not my term. on what's happening behind closed doors. ahead. >>> a brand new animal sis test the brand new health care bill will get worse with age because medicaid spending will be 35% lower by 2036. numbers like that, small wonder somebody has come one a new strategy to ram the bill through. bribery. it's not my word. an unnamed source in the administration who told axios, i think we're going to pass. this i think they'll bribe off the moderates with opioid

julie: the stabilization fund is something that through more on the right elements of the republican partywere not in favor of. how do you put the bill passes chances and if the republicans cannot get it through, what does it say about the republican party now? >> i would say that chances are 52-40th that it will get past. [laughter] it is interesting that steve is quite right that a week is a long time. with the local markets collapsing, which they are in republicans will face a stark choice. are they complicit in defeating and obamacare replacement bill going into midterms? it will be a very hard and for them to place those votes. sendof course you have to whatever bill passes to the house where the freedom caucus is going to have a big problem with increased subsidies. who is vulnerable here? and is it a bigger risk to vote for or against the bill? >> it depends on who you are. the most endangered senate republican next year by far is filming one running in a blue state. jeff in arizona faces a primary as well as general election where democrats are targeting him. i talked to him briefl

party which didn't used to be the case. if you think back to the 1960s and '70s, there were conservative democrats, there were liberal republicans. those species have largely disappeared at this point, and the two parties have become so much more consistent along these -- these fundamental fault lines of "i'm the kind of person who," that it is much harder for them to change. so you see this very stable level of approval with trump. now, with trump the approval rating is lower, stable but lower than it was with obama, and that largely reflect the reality that the republican base is smaller than the democratic base. so you're starting out with a smaller group. so then, of course, the question becomes what happens over the next several years? we don't know, needily to say, but there are a couple of things that i would suggest we can look toward and things that will be critical. one is that not only is the republican base smaller than the democratic base, it is more divided. obama largely converted the democratic party. the democratic party became the obama party. trump captured the republican party. he hasn't converted it yet. he

he hated the republican party. upporter of bernie sanders, and a member of anti-republican groups. one of them called terminate the republican party. give us your thoughts as we learn more about this person. and the violence that -- physical violence as well as the violence of language and rhetoric and the commitment on the left of the democratic party to subvert the trump administration. >> you know, when asked whether this particular individual was influenced directly through the fierce rhetoric, politically that developed these days, we'll never know, he's dead. but what i do know with all my heart is he came to that ball field with the distinct purpose of killing as many republicans as he could. we have an issue with fierce rhetoric that's being inflamed by social media and different methods of outlets. what that create is nationwide a hostility towards politicians at home. and there is no question. given time and given that scenario being inflamed, it creates a dangerous scenario. lou: amongst the things he pos

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is withinan divide the republican party too. host: in terms of what chuck schumer needs to talk about, is it just that? what about cuts to medicaid? guest: it would be huge. rob portman -- it would have to be off the table. it would have to be the -- the subsidies would have to be more generous. the cost would have to be less coverage. they need to push more deductibles and co-pays on people, which is what republicans complained about. guest: they could fund the cost sharing subsidies that they have been arguing about. if you make less than 2.5 times less than poverty, and those people have difficulties with $6,000 deductibles. congress said the money was never formally appropriated. the suit is still in progress. they keep saying we could not pay these. we are seeing the insurers are passing through. they are giving the discounts to the low income people. the federal government is supposed to pay them back. the federal government, every month, decides if they will make the payments. is paying for next year, they're adding on to

but there is no republican party. o republican leader. >> trump smashed it. >> he crushed it. there is no democratic party. trump is such a polarizing figure that i don't know that he can reach across the middle in any way. there's an opportunity for somebody to say, hey, let's talk about growth. let's talk about what is over the horizon in this country. there is something better. where is that part of let's make america great again? we're not seeing that. >> the ship has sailed on cooperation with the democrats and the trump administration? >> i think the democrats have their backs up. because they feel that trump has not reached out to them. he hasn't made any effort to include them on health care and on my different issues. climate change could have been an interesting moment for trump. he's had a mixed record on this over the past. the fact is as a business guy, he could have gone out there and said, i'm going to level with the american public. i'm going to truth-tell. this is where growth is and where the opportun

there has also been a little problem with the republican party.me to talk about the trump economy, fallout from the british elect and much more. steve forbes, great to have you here. i'm glad to see you out of your sling. let's get to first of all the copy hearing yesterday. the fact that these -- i have to say the senate intelligence committee looked like absolute jackasses steve * at the end of the day no one won. steve: copy admitting he -- comey admitting he leaked. lou: changed his language for loretta lynch. the clintons owned that damn justice department and there should be outrage. instead you have richard burr clucking lake a co-conspirator with mark warner. the american people are sick of these insults. >> he wanted a special prosecutor against trump. why didn't he have a special prosecutor against hillary clinton? lou: you know why. he sold out. he's owned lock, stock and barrel. he on defied republican authority not democratic. you haepublicans uto ita walkinaround saying james comey is such a great guy. he didn't succeed on a single m

>> no, for somebody who created a lot of conflict with the republican party and may a lot of big promises with healthcare he has been utterly submissive to it is republican agenda since winning the presidency, i assume he means it and the people around him persuaded him it is a good idea but there is, despite the fact that in the past he has talked positively of canadian single payer systems and other things he has shown no evidence of wanting to work with democrats or wanting to bid logically -- since winning the white house. >> what do you two differ on? >> ezra? >> i was waiting for andy to go through our deep debates. i guess, let me say this. i will say. this i don't know whether ezra agrees or disagrees with this. but i do think that policy, policy aside, we do need to get away from the point where, as ezra was pointing to, we go change our healthcare system election cycle by election cycle, the real world that we live in, the american families, hospitals, physicians, they can't and that. it will not last. >> and i think americans are very scared of the fact that their political ide

any time he does that, he wins. >> this republican party is an oil, coal-soaked party.the money -- the money driving through the republican party, coursing through it, i believe the republican party received all fuel oil and gas contradictio contributions. that's very important. why are we surprised he pulled pout. >> i want to jump in here. i think there is a real global leadership issue here. i understand that republicans are saying there is not. china has been snigt the wings. wanting to build a relationship with the eu. wanting to be out here and sarks look at us. we want to build this coalition. it's about global leadership. when the united states steps back, other countries step in pmplt. >>> that will have to be the last word. we'll hear from both sides in a moment. when you buy a used car you should feel confident. that's why carmax has over 40,000 cars to choose from nationwide. with prices clearly marked, the same online as they are in the stores. that should give you some car-buying confidence. the type of confidence you need to wear white after labor day. th

what i try to get that in the book because it shows us that the donor network is driving the republican party, rather than its own constituents. amy: as republicans attempt to revive a highly unpopular bill to overturn obamacare, we look at the right's attempt to reshape the role of the federal government -- from healthcare to education to housing -- with duke university historian professor nancy maclean, author of the new book, "democracy in chains: the deep history of the radical right's stealth plan for america." maclean also uncovers the instrumental role the late libertarian economist james buchanan played in the right's campaign to eliminate unions, suppress voting, and privatize schools. buchanan was an economist to train at the university of chicago and went on t to a number of virginia institutions over the years. he won the nobel prize in 1986 for his original contributions to our understanding of political economy. itit was james buchahanan who tt charles koch for capitalism to thrive, democracy must be in chains. amy: president trump says the environmental protection agency will r

i wouldn't advise the republican party to do something about them because they want the independent media that has given itself over to the democratic party. people are a lot younger than i am and nobody is going to stop them. >> host: who invited you to speak at uc berkeley and what you have attended? >> guest: i talked to the vice chancellor and the police chie chiefs. if you commit an act of violence we will take away the recognition for the funding and you will not have an organization on campus. what the police chief said is that there's a site off campus a mile away from the campus. it used to be the school for the deaf which was perfect. then he said you can't advertise the location of the speech. he is breaking the rules so it is needed as a large process for the liberal democrats. >> host: tuscaloosa alabama you are on with david horowitz. >> caller: a lot of people that i know also called you to show you how bad things are, the head of the workers union sends an e-mail saying i should be denied the platform because i am a promoter of the nationalists. i have five grandchildren,

blue-collar conservatives, that is the premise of the book, i think donald trump realigned the republican partyass republicans in the republican party. >> he did, that is the main thesis of my book, reagan in the 80s brought working-class democrats under the republican party by talking a different language and donald trump did the same thing using different issues but the same appeal to the working-class values, i got your back and government will serve your interests and exactly the same thing. stuart: the negotiator is ronald reagan. >> ronald reagan learned his political bills in california where he made a lot of mistakes. stuart: well said, thanks for joining us. now says, donald trump calling out cnn for their coverage of russia and the election, quote, say canoes cnn is looking dead big management changes now that they got caught falsely pushing their own russian story, ratings way down. press secretary sarah huckabee sanders asked about it during a briefing, let's listen. >> multiple other instances where the outlet you referenced has been repeatedly wrong. it is a disgrace to all of med

looking at that, it seems quite obvious this man had major issues with the republican party can probably not target these baseball players just because they were playing baseball. he was targeting them because they were republicans. brent: we have talked about this many times. you are in the u.s., you hear it more than we do here in berlin, that the political rhetoric has become so inflammatory in the u.s., especially since the 2016 presidential campaign -- is it really that surprising then that someone would target politicians in with take it to a violent level? carsten: it is not the first time that this happened. in 2011, democratic congresswoman gabrielle gifford was shot by a gunman in arizona who did not like her liberal agenda. of course, there have always been assassination attempts against presidents, but also threats and attacks against lawmakers and other officials. but yes, since the 2016 election campaign definitely, the tone has gotten a bit rougher and definitely this country is very bitterly divided along ideological and political lines. today as we saw, congress came tog

there has also been a little problem with the republican party. to talk about that next. it's our little differences, that can make a world of difference. expedia, everything in one place, so you can travel the world better. dearthere's no other way to say this. it's over. i've found a permanent escape from monotony. together, we are perfectly balanced. our senses awake. our hearts racing as one. i know this is sudden, but they say...if you love something set it free. see you around, giulia dentures to real teeth.rent they're about 10 times softer and may have surface pores where bacteria can multiply. polident kills 99.99% of odor causing bacteria and helps dissolve stains. that's why i recommend polident. cleaner, fresher, brighter every day. lou: joining me to talk about the trump economy, fallout from the british elect and much more. steve forbes, great to have you here. i'm glad to see you out of your sling. let's get to first of all the copy hearing yesterday. the fact that these -- i have to say the senate intelligence committee looked like

tonight is a big campaign rally to celebrate congressional wins for the republican party and the president. >> reporter: president trump taking off for iowa this afternoon with more lift under his political wings after republican karen handel's big win in georgia's 6th congressional district. >> and a special thanks to the president of the united states of america. [ cheers and applause ] >> reporter: president trump tweeted back his thanks to handel writing -- . >> reporter: democrats tried to hope the win could be the first ripple in a 2018 congressional wave. white house officials say what the democrats are lacking is a compelling message. >> i don't think they have one, americans have seen, that that's one of the reasons republicans and the president continue to win time and time again. >> reporter: the president is hoping that running the table in special elections will give new momentum to his legislative agenda tweeting -- the president's trip to iowa today is in part to reassure nervous voters, independents in particular that despite distractions like the russia investigation, the

our first guest, discussing president's warning to republican party about cost of failure, in the case of health care legislation, and whether republican leadership is capable of moving the president's ambitious legislative agenda forward, joining us. kellyanne conway, counselor to president from white house, thank you for being with us. second, what are prospects as we talk here, right now, health care actually a reality in the senate? >> we remain optimistic that president will have a bill on his desk in short course from senate, and house which passed it week ago. because these senators ran on repealing and replacing obamacare. they have seen the numbers. let's remember why we doing this, 19 of 23 co-ops have failed, 83 insurers left, with two dozen more promising to do so, in nevada two more just pulled out. lou: there seems to be a divide between merril mitch mcconnell and president right now, they do not seem to be working together to those of us on outside looking in. mcconnell does not seem to be moving for the president's bill. we don't see the same animation. is it there on p

the marginalization of the democratic party after the civil war really allows the republican party to take control. their base is financial and industrial interests in the great lakes, sweeping down from new england and the midwest. they are really interested in building up the navy in particular. i think you see a navy industrial complex before a military industrial complex, and historically navies are more advanced than armies, anyway. >> your book is titled "torpedo: inventing the military-industrial complex in the united states and great britain." tell us about the case study. ms. epstein: i came to it by accident. i didn't wake up and think i really need to learn more about this. i was flailing around for a topic, had these meaning of life questions, and somebody said what about torpedoes. shockingly, they were right. that became my topic, and then my interest -- i stumbled across the intellectual property dimensions. these were hugely complex weapons systems, and they really were i think at one of the first weapons systems to drive this new procurement relationship between the g

just yesterday hodgkinson posted on the phase back page of a group called "terminate the republican party," calling the republicans "theefg" and "cheating." mary ellen o'toole is a former f.b.i. profiler. >> one of the primary personality traits is someone who is an injustice collector. this is someone who goes through life and they look for grievances that are occurring to them, and they blame other people for it. >> reporter: in 2006, hodgkinson was arrested when he punched a woman in the face and threatened another man in the home with a shotgun, hitting him with the weapon and then firing a shot as the man ran away. >> we have another one now. we have a total of five down. >> reporter: investigators are now tracing the assault rifle and handgun used in today's attack and going through an old white conversion van the f.b.i. thinks hodgkinson may have been living in. they believe that he has been in the alexandria area since march. back in illinois, hodgkinson had been a volunteer for the bernie sanders campaign. today senator sanders said that he was sickened by the attack. >> violence

but for the republican party n to understand who his available. we turn to the heritage foundation, the federalist society. they have lots of names. there are lots of conservative organizations that are reliable and helpful and positive forces. why are we watching an effort to lead these organizations on the part of the republican national committee and all that -- no one would be more better informed or capable than doing that than you, frankly. randy: typical d.c. politics. the establishment ran to the front of the line. and it was hard to get in people who believe like donald trump does. tammy: there is what donald trump wants and what the gop wants. and these days seem to be two different things. the swamp versus the revolution. lou: it's what donald trump wants and what he insists upon. we are finding out there are a lot of folks in the swamp that are part of the architecture of the republican party. but i think we knew that. what do you think? randy: the good news is he's not going to settle. he's going to push forward. lou: tammy bruce, ran

he has a lot of problems but he has a republican party which is not the trump party. i said, republicans for 30 years have been too polite to mention the oppression of blacks in the inner cities by the democratic party and by progressives generally and scared to confront democrats. why else doesn't anybody else ask debbie wasserman schultz how can you be a member of a racist party, why hasn't anybody done that? >> host: let's hear what our viewers have to say and i want to thank you -- >> guest: let me ask c-span for having me, cnn would never have me, told my publisher. we have a media which is not a media anymore, it's just a political weapon of the ideological left. >> host: have you ever been here to the la times festival of books? >> guest: i have, but i was ban for ten years by the editorial page editor of the paper janet clayton. i complained that there are 500 and one i said on c-span. as much as degrace and no conservatives in ucla, five conservatives and 500 authors and two of them were charles and raianna huffington. i had a hiatus. >> host: michael from il