stephanie, one other thing, yeah, can leakers get things wrong sometimes? they can. but what carl bernstein and bob woodward's job been how much harder would it have been if they didn't have mark felt nearly 50 years ago. >> fair point. megan, i want to ask you about jared kushner. people are making a very big deal, further investigations into jared's businesses, i kind of think, of course, they will investigate jared's businesses. he's a business guy. his lawyer has said from the beginning, jared's willing to speak. are we drumming up too much around why are they looking at jared's businesses? it kind of makes perfect sense. >> i think we're drumming up about two of these things, mike pence taking on a lawyer, jared kushner's businesses and donald trump being looked at for obstruction. in isolation they make for front pages and drum beat and problems but none of this is surprising, you know this, myself as a former lawyer, these are all obvious issues that have come up during the course of this presidency. they come up -- they consistently come up as a specter of this investigation, hangs over them, and wide