please welcome david o. brownow. >> thank you very much for having me. my pleasure. >> trevor: it's a really wonderful story that you tell in your book. it is illuminating and it is sad and happy at the same time. before we get into the story, a lot of people may recognize you or may be familiar with you because, a year ago, you were on tv giving a press conference after, i think it was five policemen were fatally shot in dallas. >> yes. >> trevor: looking back at that time, looking at the stories that caused it -- alton sterling, philando castile and the protests that followed from that point -- where do you think the police are in america right now? >> it seems that, every time we take some steps forward, another viral video comes out and we take two steps back, or another cop is ambushed, and we go further back into our divided corners. >> trevor: right. >> so i'm always hopeful, but i try to keep it pretty factual and real. we're still divided around policing in this country, particularly in communities of col

. >> here's the book, it is called called to rise by retired dallas police chief david o brown. it is just out in the bookstores. >> thank you, appreciate it. >> you are watching the tv on c-span2, television for serious readers. here is a look at our primetime lineup. coming up at 7:00 eastern, peter durant talks about the rise of oil dutch shell. that all happens tonight on c-span2's booktv. >> booktv is on twitter followers to get publishing news, scheduling updates, author information and to talk directly with others during life programs. twitter.com/booktv.

he's david o. brown, this is overheard. let's be honest, is this about the ability to learn or is this about the experience of not having been taught properly? how have you avoided what has befallen other nations in africa? you can say that he'd made his own bed, but you caused him to sleep in it. you saw a problem and over time took it on. let's start with the sizzle before we get to the steak, are you gonna run for president? i think i just got an f from you. this is overheard. (audience applause) chief brown, welcome. - thank you. - thank you for being here, and congratulations on the book. i have to say, i kinda wish you didn't have to write it. right, i wish the events that propelled this book to exist hadn't happened. although, it's such an interesting story that you tell not just of july 7th of 2016 but your own life, and i think that actually for a lot of us, finding out about you as the backdrop for this book is worth the read. - yes, and i've been an extremely private person, even though a public figure for variou