>> yes. >> so did she want to protect mark fuhrman?i'm thinking she wanted to protect the integrity of the trial. >> what did you say to her? >> i was flummoxed. why? >> did she see the writing on the wall? was she afraid potentially a murderer could walk free because of what these tapes represented? >> she didn't know what was on the tapes but when i said the tapes are confidential and she said it's a murder trial. nothing is confidential and they would subpoena you and your tapes and your life would change forever. >> and that's exactly what happened. when mckinney refused to hand over the tapes, simpson's lawyers came to north carolina and took her to court. >> mark furman is a friend of yours, is that correct? >> he's a business partner. i have a business relationship with him. >> and you're still trying to market this? >> i was completely unprepared to be in a courtroom. i was extremely nervous. >> this material is collateral. and i will deny the subpoena. >> i think it's an outrages ruling and we're going to appeal. this is bombs

>> yes. >> so did she want to protect mark fuhrman?d to protect the integrity of the trial. >> what did you say to her? >> i was plumxed. why? >> did she see the writing on the wall? was she afraid potentially a murderer could walk free because of what these tapes represented? >> she didn't know what was on the tames but when i said the tapes are confidential and she said it's a murder trial. nothing is confidential and they would subpoena you and your tapes and your life would change forever. >> and that's exactly what happened. when mckinney refused to hand over the tapes, simpson's lawyers came to north carolina and took her to court. >> i have a business relationship with him. >> and you're still trying to market this? >> i was completely unprepared to be in a courtroom. i was extremely nervous. >> this material is collateral. and i will deny the subpoena. >> i think it's an outrages ruling and we're going to appeal. this is bomb shell evidence and rrts absolutely critical. it's relevant, germane, material. >> he won. he didn't hav

so then mark fuhrman comes up for a promotion and you say? o. >> bernard parks was an lapd deputy chief when fuhrman came up for promotion. >> a person's background had to be as sterling as possible. i made a point to always take a moment to look at somebody's background and not give them an opportunity to put the department in a bad light. >> so you knew he would put the department in a bad light? >> my view was you didn't want to take the chance. >> one year after fuhrman was passed over for a promotion, parks had to set up another task force. >> we set the task force because in the early '90s almost the same things were happening in west l.a. that were happening in the '80s and you heard rumors about women being mistreated and not given an opportunity. >> one member of that task force, tia morris. >> it was amazing to me because for one i'm sitting here thinking here i went through this in the '80s and i'm saying the department knew about a lot of this stuff. they knew how he was and nobody did anything. >> so being on this task force, you

screen writer laura heart mckinny had interviewed mark fuhrman for a fictional script and still had theourt order, some of the startling contents are leaked. >> he is just a real racist scum. >> now we're going to look at fuhrman and what a scum bag he is. >> and to don goldman's father, fred, the tapes are a devastating distraction. >> this is not now the fuhrman trial. this is a trial about the man that murdered my son. >> the judge ruled that the jury will be able to hear portions of taped interviewed with now retired lapd detective mark fuhrman. >> fuhrman says the n-word dozens of times, but the judge decide the jury will only hear two. the excerpts are brief, yet powerful and december tuisturbi >> after the excerpt intended of the fuhrman tapes, you broke down and cried at that moment. why? >> because i was worried at the ramifications because i watched them with this look of horror and disgust, you know, and watched them turn. i was like, that's it. >> that's it. fuhrman had lied on the stand and had used an abhorrent racial slur. it throws a whole new light on defense assertions

then with the respective mark fuhrman, it was a mistake to use mark fuhrman as a witness.y knew we knew, and marsha clark knew, that he had a long history of being accused of racism, and we were going to take advantage of that. they brought the jury to downtown, which would've resulted in nine african-americans on the jury. that was their decision. if it had been in a suburb of california where the crime occurred, it would've been a mostly white jury. they thought they would win with nine black women on the jury. once we saw the trick, of course race and racial animus becomes relevant. they never should have used mark fuhrman as a witness. he heard the case rather than help them. that was the fact that he may have discovered some -- >> martha: your -- we are looking at the moment when he was found not guilty, nothing any of us will ever forget where they were and who they were with, and the jaw-dropping feeling of hearing that. what was it like for you? >> i had students, both african-american at harvard and white students, and many white jaws dropped. that many of the bla

mark fuhrman, dr. baden, thank you. jeffrey felix, a retired guard at lovelock correctional center, where o.j. simpson has been held for the past nine years. he's the author of a book called "guarding the juice: how o.j. simpson became my prison bff." what a title. today oj and his attorney appeared to ridicule felix. >> i spent the 12 years leading up to this institution, raised two kids in l.a. r i'm sorry, miami. you know, with all the media stuff, these guys like jeffrey felix making up stories, that was happening out on the street also. >> tucker: jeffrey felix joins us now.re this is really illustrative. we are learning that not only is he a violent killer, he's also kind of a bad friend. you say you're his bff and there he is, slashing you in the hearing today. >> i felt horrible. in the book, all i said was a great things about the juice. he was a model inmate. he always followed rules and regulations, treated people witp respect. i didn't say anything bad about book. my i got hammered on the streets for stickin

have you a special cnn report, tomorrow about mark fuhrman and mark fuhrman tapes. he became a folk val point in the trial when o.j.'s team called him a racist. you sat down with the woman who recorded the tapes. let's watch this. >> laura heart mckinney. the writer who recorded conversationes with mark fuhrman. >> anything out of a nigger's mouth for the first five or six sentences is a lie. >> she remained mostly silent until now. she is telling her story, her truth. and for the first time, excerpts from the the furman tapes you've never heard. vulgar. sexist. >> how do you arrest a violent suspect? >> have a man do it. >> disturbing. >> got to be a border line sociopath. got to be violent. >> wow. cnn is the first news organization to obtain these tapes including never before heard recordings. i'm going to watch this. what else are we going to learn? >> i'm sitting here looking at tapes thinking, it was so hard to listen to these and stomach everything i heard. i can't imagine what it was like for you guys to hear the "n" word over and over again. and for it to p

detective, mark fuhrman. what did you think? >> good evening, martha. we are at the beautiful prison. when we watched o.j. simpson, i was a little shocked. not that he got parole. i figured he would get parole but i was shocked at the way he actually -- at times, even argued with the parole board about the very issues for why he was there. it was an aggravated assault section of his parole. use of weapons. he argued that he didn't even know there were weapons and convene lately i was talking to the very detectives that filed these cases and he said they not only knew he had weapons, he told them to bring weapons. he said i just went there to get my property. it wasn't his property. the california court didn't say it was his property. they said we sent it all back to the victim in this crime. the shocking part of the scum of the parole board was lied to you but it seemed not to matter. almost like this was a foregone conclusion. o.j. simpson is going to be out october 1st. >> martha: i think you are right about the foregone conclusion. one of the parole

and it was these tapes of detective mark fuhrman made by an up and coming screenwriter by the name ofmckinny. and the tapes were vulgar. they were astonishing. and they were also the linchpin in jump-hoohnnie cochran's defe that simpson was framed by a racist l.a. department willing to plant evidence to frame a black man. many people felt that race trumped justice, and that has truly haunted laura hart mckinny for decades. she is laura hart mckinny. the writer who recorded conversations with mark fuhrman. >> anything out of a -- mouth for the first six sentences is a lie. >> reporter: and she has remained mostly silent until now. why did you decide to come forward now and talk to us? >> i trust you. >> does it feel good to talk about this? >> yes. it's time. >> all right, would you come forward? >> there were parts of the puzzle i was unable to reveal at the time and to be as truthful as i really wanted to be. >> so she is telling her story, her truth. and for the first time, excerpts from the fuhrman tapes you've never heard. vulgar. >> white she had a big nose. >> sexist. >> how do

. >> it becomes evident late in the trial that mark fuhrman has worked with a l.a. ife is like. >> the defense offered 41 examples of fuhrman using the word [ bleep ]. something he swore on the witness stand he has not done in the last ten years. >> the defense wants desperately to prove that fuhrman is capable of manufacturing evidence to bolster their claim that he planted the bloody glove found at o.j. simpson's estate. >> detective fuhrman will you resume the witness stand. >> was the testimony you gave at the preliminary hearing in this case completely truthful? >> i wish to assert my fifth amendment privilege. >> the defense tried, successfully, to turn this case into a referendum on mark fuhrman in particular and the lapd in general. >> no one would predicted it, the jury in the o.j. simpson trial has taken less than four hours to reach a verdict. >> mr. simpson, would you please stand and face the jury? >> most people can tell you where they were sitting when that verdict came down. >> we the jury in the above had been entitled action find the defendant orent

simpson was guilty but because of mark fuhrman and that -- >> can i tell you, this weighs so heavilyaura hart mckinney. she has -- it's like for years she went under the radar because of what these tapes did and impacted that verdict. >> my thought, though, don, just really quickly, is that mark fuhrman, particularly at that time for the lapd, was so indicative of the larger culture. >> chuabsolutely. >> police culture in and of itself. bred him. he was born of that. >> you worked in l.a. working in l.a. at the time. rodney king had just happened. >> had just happened. >> the tension was boiling. >> absolutely. eric, did the o.j. trial shape perceptions of race in this country? >> i'm sorry, can you say that again? >> did it shape perception of race in this country, the o.j. trial? >> yes. you know, what's interesting, we saw this revealed in some of the tv shows that came out last year. "american crime story: people v. o.j. simpson" and "o. j. made i america. the divide and how all that was exposed through the o.j. trial. what i liked about "american crime story," you got the sense

they had mark fuhrman the racist up on the stand.y got the race card played on them and they didn't even realize it was happening. >> kimberly: that was allegation against them. >> jesse: that was the allegation against mark fuhrman. i thought it was on tape. maybe i'm wrong. the prosecutors threw the kitchen sink at him for the armed robbery. he wasn't holding the gun. he was involved in the armed robbery. it was really, really rough sentence. they had in mind this guy state skated on a double homicide. he has been behaving in prison and no one is going to testify against him at the parole board hearing. so i think if they're fair and they just look at this case, they will parole him. but if they say karma is going to play a role here, they're going to make him sit down. i think most americans want to see o.j. stay in prison. i think there is a certain segment of the population that might break down among racial lines that want o.j. loose. and i understand that i'm going to shoot a waters world about this and we will see if that's t

it was appalling to hear from mark fuhrman said and how he referred to blacks on the force and outsidepart you're going to see now is the sexist part. there was an organization called maw, men against women, and these guys wants to intimidate women and push them out. they wanted to do everything they could to bully them. that's the part that we department headidn't hear, the sexism. it was strong. it forced the lapd to change policy when it came to women and minorities. >> i can't wait to watch. thanks so much. >> you bet. >> it airs at 11:00 p.m. eastern here on cnn. first, another quick note, declassified, untold stories of american spies, returning tomorrow at 9:00 p.m. we'll be right back. what's going on here? um...i'm babysitting. that'll be $50 bucks. you said $30. yeah, well it was $30 before my fees, like the pizza-ordering fee and the dog-sitting fee... and the rummage through your closet fee. who is she, verizon? are those my heels? yeah! yeah, we're the same size...in shoes. with t-mobile taxes and fees are already included, so you get four lines of unlimited for just $40 b

they were handed these tapes of detective mark fuhrman made by an up and coming screenwriter. were vulgar, and the lynchpin in johnny cochran's defense by an l.a. police department willing to convict evidence of a black man. and these tapes changed history. we've been talking about that now for days and many people felt that race trumped justice in this case. and that has haunted laura hart mckinney for decades. let's take a listen. >> there were bits of the puzzle that i was just unable to reveal at the time and i was unable to be as truthful as i really wanted to be. >> reporter: so she is telling her story, her truth. and for the first time excerpts from the fuhrman tapes you've never heard. vulgar. [ inaudible ] >> reporter: sexist. >> how do you arrest a violent suspect? i yell out, have a man do it. >> reporter: disturbing. >> you got to be a borderline sociopath, you got to be violent. >> wow, it is amazing to hear that now all these years later. did mark fuhrman ever try to get these tapes or ask mckinney to give up these tapes? >> oh, yes. by the way, she was still re

meet the woman who recorded mark fuhrman. >> why did you decide to come forward now?s time. >> a cnn exclusive, "after o.j.: the fuhrman taupes revealed," tonight at 10:00. >> okay, make sure you tune in for that. >>> meanwhile, is president trump's legal team's plan to undermine special counsel robert mueller, is it somehow a throwback to bill clinton, as we've been hearing people say? up next, we'll compare president trump and president clinton's responses to their independent investigations with two people who know these presidents better than most. ♪ the opioid my doctor prescribed for my chronic back pain backed me up-big time. before movantik, i tried to treat it myself. spent time, money. no go. but i didn't back down. i talked to my doctor. she said: one, movantik was specifically designed for opioid-induced constipation-oic- and can help you go more often. number two? with my savings card, i can get movantik for about the same price as the other things i tried. don't take movantik if you have a bowel blockage or a history of them. movantik may cause serious s

simpson and mark fuhrman and the rodney king incident and the l.a. riots.s it show the tensions between the african-american community and the police? >> it's the same story, right? a black person bears witness to police violence, police terrorism and state violence and everyone says oh, you're exaggerating. oh, it didn't happen. in the nineties there were times when 98% to 99% of complaints to the police in the l.a.p.d. were found unworthy of further investigation and then you get the rodney king videotape and suddenly america says this might be real and something's happening and despite seeing the police beat rodney king over and over again, they still said not guilty and we saw walter scott get shot in the back running away, and black witness doesn't simply doesn't matter because black life doesn't matter in america as much as it should and the nineties told us that and this documentary does a fabulous job of capturing that and we're living over and over again. >> it seems awfully cynical to think we haven't come that far? you really believe that? >> whe

excerpts from the mark fuhrman tapes you've never heard.

they were willing to believe that because mark fuhrman used the n-word that o.j. simpson was being framed by everyone, every cop involved despite the mountain of evidence. >> eric: i heard you say after the verdict that he was part of the aftermath, the racial divide in the country, in the aftermath of the trial, responsible for it. >> there is no doubt about it. they helped create the racial divide. they certainly come at the very least, they laid bare that the country was divided along racial lines. we have seen evidence of that since the 1990s. this was an expectation of the issue. this man. jay z, i have to point this out. jc with this new hit album, he has a song on it called "the oj story." in it, he uses oj's own words. he said infamously "i'm not black. i am oj." jay z plays the sound bite over and over again because he wants to show the world that o.j. simpson was an exploiter rather than a victim of the racial tensions. >> kat: every reasonable person thinks he's guilty but i think a lot of people did expect he would be paroled today. is anybody surprise

mark fuhrman with a lead l.a. pd detective in that case, and a key witness in the courtroom.

meet the woman who recorded mark fuhrman. >> why have you decided to come forward now? >> it's time. >> a cnn exclusive, "after o.j.: the fuhrman take place revealed" tomorrow night at 10:00. whuuuuuat?rtgage offer from the bank today. you never just get one offer. go to lendingtree.com and shop multiple loan offers for free! free? yeah. could save thousands. you should probably buy me dinner. no. go to lendingtree.com for a new home loan or refinance. receive up to five free offers and choose the loan that's right for you. our average customer could lower their monthly bills by over three hundred dollars. go to lendingtree.com right now. >>> all right. senator chuck grassley, a republican chairman of the senate judiciary committee just telling us now that he will, if needed, subpoena both the president's son, donald trump jr. and the president's former campaign chairman, paul manafort to testify in front of the judiciary committee next wednesday. we know they have been invited to testify. we have not heard whether or not they will. this is a threat from the republican

and a lot of people still feel that race trumped justice in this case because of mark fuhrman, becausef those tape recordings that were made. >> professor, and than then we've got to go. >> in my book, race law in american society, 1607 to present, we talk about 5,000 black people murdered in this country. and this one case, this obsession of so much of white america. we have police shootings taking place all the time and we don't see the same level of obsession. i'd like to know when we're talking about race trumping justice, where is all of the outrage when race is trumping justice all around america? this gets me about this case, within the black community and within a person that studies and writes about racial history, i don't understand this obsession and maybe that is why there was the split. and maybe that is why we're still talking about it today. >> because it was the first, i mean, that televised trial changed our business. it created -- >> it -- >> it should have been changed a long time ago. >> it super-duper changed our business and it never returned to the same. >> it wa

mark fuhrman whose controversial testimony led to the former heisman controversy winner being cleared no violations and the board will likely have mercy. simpson is currently serving up to 33 years for robbery at a las vegas hotel 10 years ago. if he gets paroled, simpson will be free on october 11th. make sure to stay with fox news for live coverage tomorrow morning of that parole hearing. a prison experiment that uses taxpayer dollars to rehabilitate wanna be tastes now proving to be a major failure. abdullah yousef was sentenced in november for trying to join isis. minnesota jail offered no jail time instead to take part in deradicalization program. two months later he was caught watching a isis documentary. colonel blasting the program saying, quote: there is no such thing as rehabilitating a committed jihaddist. they should be dealt with by military courts. a baseball themed baby gender reveal failed miserably. take a look. >> 1, 2, 3. oh. >> that didn't go well. >> oh my god. a dad drills the mom in the face baseball filled with colored pow ter. north carolina couple took a seco

mark, thank you, kierna. join kyra phillips. cnn's special report "after o.j.: the fuhrman tapes revealed." airs tomorrow night at 10:00. sounds riveting. good to see all of you. thank you. that's it for us tonight. thanks for watching. >>> good evening, we begin tonight with blow-backs from republicans about the president's remarkable interview with "the new york times," in it ripped attorney general jeff sessions for recusing himself on russia, took verbal shots at rosenstein and former fbi director james comey. the president had a warning for russia special counsel robert mueller not to poke too far into his business. when asked by the "times" if that would constitute a red line for the president, he said yesterday. whether that mark individually or collective tone, what the president said has been drawing negative reviews. a group of republican senators spoke with cnn, one who did not want to be named was stunned by the president's remarks about director mueller. "any thought of firing the special counsel is chilling, he said. it's chilling. that's all you can say." another said, "one g