opportunity to really share what is it that we need to do to bring jobs back that have been outscattered showersed. a lot of jobs outsourced offshore and we have an opportunity to bring some of those back. we also talked about the regulatory environment and things that inhibit our ability to put americans back to work as well as infrastructure investments. so really fascinating. there's some follow-up that he asked for that different groups of us are preparing back to bring information back to him with some additional points of view. >> i think about, you know, barack obama was famous for sort of creating a comfortable environment. he would take off hijack et, roll up his sleeves and call you by your first name to try to get you to relax as much as possible. in the footage i've seen of those meetings it does not look like there's a lot of joking around and hanging out that, you know -- so i'm curious, was there a sense of sort of the power of the presidency in that meeting or was there a sense of really trying to get you guys to relax and give him ideas. >> i don't have a whole lot to compare it t