stage for darpa flexibility redtape cutting was actually dp at general electric was brought in, roy johnson. and he was the only sort of non-technical person ever to lead darpa, but it was he who started the saturn rocket program which then went to nasa and took the apollo mission to the men. yet some very good ideas. what i'm saying is it's hard to guess first of all what they appoint a new darpa director, and who makes a good darpa director? i think traditionally the ones who have been good, and it was a good darpa director but certainly roy johnson the present very powerful in creating the agency. there were people like steve in the 1970s who sort of listed darpa out of the mess of vietnar and rebuilt the agency. there's tony and the 2000s and others, but it's hard to guess what makes a good darpa director of the prince salman with a broader vision. someone who sort of says i'm pretty think about the problems of warfare and how we solve that warfare. please. [inaudible] >> talking about the human factor and big projects. so has darpa anticipated the russian hacking and misinformation cam