city in the north of the united states is home to andrew mohl housekeeper and a company of hot dog king oscar meyer who we came across in the preston martin case . the scientist worked for this company for thirty years. he now teaches at the university. but he doesn't hide his proximity to the american meat lobby. presented with our i.r.c. challenge documents he acknowledges everything. almost. so did the meat industry paid you for this so i received some compensation for my time as well as the others how much i am likely to say i don't know thousands tens of thousands of dollars. small amounts can we have an idea. and defending nitrite seems to be a very big thing for industry looking for a substitute. has been attempted. and was a tall sally. something as chemically simple as nitrite. and this is unique as nitrite having a substitute is not impossible to anyone's ability but if there is more risk of getting cancer don't you think it's important to try to find a solution now as we're going to see real leaders they do not believe that that risk is is true and you think there is no risk