what are bang need that microscope to figure out say, the more like euler -- the molecular structure of rna. dr. doudna: exactly. anter: so, there was experiment, if eisenhower had not done it, and we had not in men at the transistor, had not invented the microchip, the laser, not invented the internet, and not been able to and gps, that sort of thing, that is what would've happened if we had not done the basic research on some i conducting materials. and various things. and places like russia or china, if they had actually invented everything, from the microchips to personal computers, you could imagine russia being the dominant economy in the world, right? so, can imagine china becoming the duck -- the dominant economy in the world if we cut on basic research? >> yes. we all wonder about it innocent -- the scientific community for sure. we would probably all be working in china, running a lab there. but it is a very real question i think, for many of us. what is the future of scientific research in this country? will we maintain our dominance in that area, or will we let it get awa