>> jose hernandez serrano and then there's lara jimenez. >> well, they basically started this becausethey wanted to reinsure to all of the braceros that you're coming in here to represent our country well, and you have to do your job well, and that starts slacking off and if you find a better job go to that job. you have to fulfill your contract. >> they start off and really take on that patriotic discourse, right? they start off and they really believe that they're here, and they're sort of ambassadors in overalls and they're doing this fantastic work for mexico and the u.s. and they're doing something in a time of war and they are feeding the country at a time of war, right? when do they change their mind? when does it shift? >> i was just going to say that it started off as this nationalistic project essentially of kind of like who they were siing we're, like, mexicans and the u.s. is, like, good neighbor and we're going to do this right and then it comes -- it kind of comes to, like, the criminalization. you called it the criminalization of alianza because they start to, like, the