why don't we have statues of hughey p. newton who was a black panther?se this represents american sacred ground. the national memory is being not only tested, it's being reinforced. i agree with the professor when we don't have lives at stake. when lives are at stake, we have to talk about what those values mean, what those memorials mean and what we're celebrating in public space with public funds to reinnorse the value of our civilization. >> professor, does it concern you who is taking the side of preservation right now? you have white supremacists down there, you have the president who seems intent on playing identity politics. remember, this is a man when he was campaigning who said the confederate flag's time had past and should be put in a museum. now he sees them as a beautiful piece of history that shouldn't be disturbed. do the motivations suggest this is not as pure a principle as you're putting it out as? >> i think it's very important who is advocating. i think con federal flags obviously had to come down because they were -- that's somethin