reaching out to our communities, that are tapping into the human resource, that creates groups like al-andato the same human resource, we occupy the same space — online and offline — to change lives for the better. the active change foundation claims to have stopped hundreds of children from becoming radicalised and as a result has received help from an unexpected quarter — twitter. in the uk we've trained more than 500 charities on how to reach people using our platform and get the message out that says we are not going to be divided. the one thing that is important to remember is that when government technology companies and communities work together, and we each play our part, actually you can do a huge amount to keep the public safe, to challenge extremism and to make sure that those people who seek to do us harm are brought to justice and challenged, because although we can delete content on the internet we can't delete the ideology. threatened with more stringent regulation by government, tech companies like twitter are keen to promote their work in deprived communities. but could the

isis, as you said correctly, or al-anda for that matter, came about because of what happened.must be persecuted in the civil service. those are the people who went to join al-qaeda. those are the people who have been setting up 70%, 80% of isis right now in iraq. are we addressing any of those issues? at the moment we are saying we are fighting them. we will worry about that tomorrow, yes. they are already in somalia, north africa, and so on. i agree with you in one respect. the american funded, for example, for the county isis campaign is 20,30 example, for the county isis campaign is 20, 30 times fold what has been earmarked in iraq for the post isis rebuilding. and supporting the liberal processes. but we must go one step before the iraqi us invasion. the problem with places like iraq and syria is that the different disparate groups, in syria, as well, with all of the different tribes and ethnicities and minorities, have all been pushed under the surface by long—standing dictators. that's how we got into the situation in the first place. we got into the situation because sa

themselves in passing on bits of information which is not for training in the way that the ira did or even al-andaold of the materials for these home—made devices, but putting them together and getting it right is more difficult. we can take some comfort in that, particularly as the internet will have recipes on there which are not correct, that is deliberately done obviously so that people are not going to be able to do this so easily from the web. but they can teach one another, and they can be trained to do it better because they do learn quickly, even when they are doing it in a random way. so so much effort now is being made to try to stem that particular line of learning, but you can't stem the actual availability of very common chemicals, these things are used all over in household and retail outlets and so on. one of the contrast that can be drawn compared to the terrorism we saw in the irish context in northern ireland and in other parts of the uk was that it was often a question of smuggling in explosives. these are improvised devices, which presumably again makes the challenge for the a