joining us jack caffrey. and josh wow fineman global chief economist at deutsche.aybe we're above that 2%. it's like i think you have to beat him over the head with like six 3% quarterly numbers before they'd go above 2. are you going to tell me we're still at 2 that's all we can do they're stuck there. >> in terms of trend growth? >> gdp >> i understand in terms of trend, maybe a little bit more >> what 2.1? >> low 2s in terms of trend. i mean if we were to get some sort of productivity surprise ramped up, that would be great >> if corporations start investing? what if they got repatriation. what if we brought that money back >> these things could help let's face it our ability to forecast productivity has not been very good very few people anticipated the surge we had in the late '90s, early 2000s then it kind of petered out and we've been waiting for it to revive >> are you and steve surveyed -- >> i don't think he participates, no >> okay. but -- >> in the fed survey >> are you at 3 now? where did you get to >> our survey is 2.8 >> the atlanta -- >> for the qua