. >> and howard campbell and folks like that.ad this amazing narrative of rich literature about the borderland, which doesn't seem to be having any influence on developing rational public policy. [laughing] so notwithstanding the richness of this literature, how do we take these stories and use them to inform public policy that's rational? if that's possible. >> it's hard for books to do that when you have a president who doesn't read books. >> that's a really great question. i get the first, the first thing is you've got to keep writing them. because people read them and you hope has a sort of trickle-down effect into who we vote for and the way resort of direct our policymakers. i think it would help, and this is possibly ironic, i think it would help if we continue to support our news organizations and our news organizations continue to hire diverse staff and diverse storytellers. i think i could out because, frankly, there are people who know the world better than i do might even speak spanish. i do think that would help him,

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