the white house counsel is not john dowd. john dowd and the president have executive privilege.cgahn and the white house do not. and mcgahn and the president do not. so if he's hiding information, that in and of itself could be a crime. if he's hiding information at the behest of the president that would be evidence of obstruction. a lot to be sorted out through that lunch statements and i think that probably won't be lunching there again. >> to say the least. they've lost two customers. and the difference between attorney client privilege and if the president exerts executive privilege that's becoming a huge question in this moment as well. >> right. you can't assert executive privilege in the face of a criminal investigation. we've learned that in nixon and mcgahn doesn't have the attorney client privilege. i think the privilege stuff doesn't, you know, sort of fair well for the administration if there are documents hidden, they will be revealed and the process by which they got hidden will be the subject of mueller's inquiry as well. >> if they weren't before, they sure are n

ty cobb is easily recognizable but john dowd isn't. so i sent the photo to the new york times and said who is this guy who appears to be part of the legal team. >> and they said that's john dowd, the president's outside lead attorney. and i thought my goodness, i'm getting a glimpse of what's happening on the legal team in real time. >> by the way, congratulations, these guys like dowd, donald trump's also right, donald trump's always innocent, wonderful, blah, blah, blah, classic lawyer. the idea he didn't have to be bugged -- i want to get back to heidi. but what happened when trump heard his two lawyers were not bugged, nobody wiretapped them, he sat next to them and listened to them. he must say where have you been going to law school? what are you doing? what did he say when he found out about your reporting. >> we don't know about trump. we know that john kelly and don mcgahn were upset. they basically read them the riot act saying you can't talk about this information in the public context. the concern being not just tipping the

john dowd who is being paid as donald trump's private outside lawyer has an obligation to maintain attorneylient privilege with donald trump. he violated that obligation by being overheard at lunch. ty cobb, the other lawyer at the table, now tied with john dowd for the title of worst lawyer in washington, talked loudly about his disagreements of turning over documents and complained of other lawyers. i've got some reservations about one of them. i think he's like an mcgahn spy. when ken vogel contacted the white house and the lawyers involved before printing their article about that discussion, john dowd told this lie to "the new york times" about the conversation that ken vogel had actually heard. he said, nothing we said reflected adversely upon don mcgahn. joining us now, curt anniversary author of "fantasyland." and ron klain is back with us. curt, at the end of the article, you have don mcgahn saying, that stuff you heard us say, we did not say. >> it's the old joke. don't believe your lying eyes. here was "the new york times" reporter taking the picture and recording notes on the iph

here's how trump's lawyer john dowd puts it. they have a wonderful taken handling the production. he is referring to document production. this is where trump's legal team has to review every single white house document before handing it over the bob mueller. and he spoke about it because the daily beast reported the handoffs have begun. dowd trying to praise the team because he is a recent member having come on in june. at the time, some trump lawyers were trying to push out jared kushner from the white house, alarmed by his trump tower meeting with the russians, which at the time had not been exposed. the lawyers discussed their concerns with president trump at the white house. they even wrote a draft statement that could explain kushner's departure had he departed. now today, trump's lawyers are saying anyone who did want to undermine trump is no longer on the team. a spokesperson said she was unaware of the discussion. >> jared kushner, was there any discussion about him stepping asighted earlier this year? >> no, no conversation that i'm aware of and certainly no presentation

trump's attorneys in august alone, $100,000 to his pernlts attorney john dowd and more than $130,000o jay sekulow, another member of his team. >>> the jacksonville.com says there were disturbing photos of newborns. a nurse is giving a middle finger to a newborn with the caption how i feel about these mini satans. >>> and a nurse made a baby dance to rap music. >>> and "people" magazine reports on a letter from serena williams to her mother. in the note she shared on reddit yesterday, she thanked her mom for being the role model i need to endure all the hardships i now regard as challenges. i hope to teach my baby alexis olympia the same. >>> still ahead, the new way to return items to amazon. we will tell you how the department store kohl's is making those returns easier. yes. this is the j.d. power award for dependability. now i want you to give it to the friend that you think is most dependable. ohhhh. ughh. wow. that's just not fair. does she have to? she doesn't have to! oh, i don't? no, but it's a tough choice, isn't it? yes. well luckily, chevy makes it a little easier. cause i

quote, jones day has a wonderful team handling the production, according to john dowd, one of those lawyers quoted in the "daily beast" today. also making headlines, jared and his russia baggage were viewed as unsustainable according to reporting from "the wall street journal." quote, some of donald trump's lawyers concluded that jared kushner should step down as senior westinghouhite house adv aired concerns about him to the president, people with the matter familiar said. from the firing of jim comey to the undisclosed kiss clee yalyas and all the unanswered questions about financial possible entanglements between trump and kushner's businesses and russian money. to our reporters covering all of this, kristen welker at the white house, julie pace joins us, mark leibovitz and juan barate. julie, a lawyer described this as a bloodness entity, suggesting there aren't a lot of human beings left associated with the campaign. talk about the significance of this document production from campaign e-mail accounts is what i understand it to be. >> right. look, it shows that bob mueller continues wi

washington lawyers john dowd and ty cobb. at issue, growing tensions between these two men and white house counsel don mcgahn over how much to share with special counsel bob mueller. ty cobb complained to dowd at the steakhouse, quote, the white house counsel's office is being very conservative with this stuff. mr. cobb told mr. dowd. our view is we're not hiding anything. referring to mr. mcgahn, he added, he's got a couple documents locked in a safe. joining us now, one of the reporters who shared the byline on that story, ken vogel of "the new york times" who just happened to be lunching next to the president's lawyers. and here at the table with me, nbc news chief white house correspondent hallie jackson, eli stokel and bill crystal, founder and editor of the weekly standard and john heilemann, national affairs analyst. ken, tell me first of all, just take me through this scoop, first of all, and how you proceeded. did you keep eating and shush whichever source you were wining and dining in a swanky steakhouse. >> i don't

trump's attorneys in august alone, $100,000 to the president's personal attorney john dowd, and morehan $130,000 to jay sekulow, another member of his legal team. >>> florida times union says the jacksonville naval hospital removed some employees after a nurse is giving a middle finger the wi ttho a n wbor captain "how i feel about these mini satans." and a nurse made a baby dance to rap music. >>> and "people" magazine reports on a letter from serena erlliams to her mother.ed her dv ele d alexis olympia on september 1st. in the note she shared on reddit yesterday, she thankedthe ro mo tondure l the rdshs i hrega as chlenges is cg h my baby alex befo r olympia the same. >>> still ahead, a new way to return items to amazon. we will tell you how the department store kohl's is making those returns easier. store kohl's is making those returns easier. yes. this is the j.d. power award for dependability. now i want you to give it to the friend that you think is most dependable. ohhhh. ughh. wow. that's just not fair. does she have to? she doesn't have to! oh, i don't? no, but it's a toughe

you see john dowd. ty cobb on the right, but he is helping from inside the white house.cobb there on the right raising questions about the chief white house counsel, don mcgan and whether he was turning over enough documents to robert mueller. you see don on the left, robert mueller on the right. they have to be careful about turning over too much information to mueller because that could have an impact on the institution of the presidency of the executive branch long-term in terms of executive power, but what ty cobb and others are privately saying is they want to turn over as much e-mails and other documents to robert mueller as possible because they simply do not believe an obstruction of justice charge can be brought against this president, and so ty cobb and others in the president's legal team i'm told believe that the sooner they can get this information to robert mueller, paul manafort, general flynn, others may be facing legal jeopardy, but they simply don't think the president will face anything like that. so they want to turn over as much as possible, martha.

published earlier by the new york times in which ty cobb, who is an outside lawyer is talking to john dowd, in which the two of them are arguing and wrestling over the fight he's having with white house counsel don mcgahn about how cooperative to be and how to navigate this legal thicket and they're having this conversation loudly in a restaurant with a reporter listening in. >> it's unbelievable for any washington lawyer to think that that type of conversation, when your client is the president of the united states and you're discussing it at a d.c. steak house. so that aspect aside, i think what the results of that conversation as they've been reported reveal, is that this is a broken legal team. and the difficulty is lawyering requires trust. it requires trust between the client and the lawyers. it requires trust amongst the lawyers and the team themselves. and if there is not trust between those different components, the legal team can't function effectively. >> that's a great point. kerry and matt, thank you both. >> thank you. >>> next more on that story, is someone inside the white

they drafted a statement to explain kushner's resignation but john dowd said he thought the proposal absurd and never, to his knowledge, taken to the president. marc kasowitz on it said i never discussed that jared kushner should step down from his position at the white house and i am not aware any other lawyer for the president made such a recommendation. ty cobb called the story false. he tells nbc news jared kushner, who denied collusion is one of the president's most trusted advisers and been a victim of a series of leaks. >> let's get a check on your weather with meteorologist bill karins standing by. it's breaking up, not doing damage anymore. >> the weather part is done now. >> what about the one behind it? >> jose. >> yeah. >> we were afraid barbuda could get hit when jose was strong, it's significantly weakened. irma is no longer a tropical storm, it's a tropical depression. the winds are down to 30-35 miles an hour. it's north of columbus, georgia. the rain and cloud shield is enormous. highest winds, 35 miles per hour. georgia lost 1.5 million people lost power. a lot of t

it was reported because john dowd and ty cobb were overheard having a conversation in a restaurant.esident has a serious matter on his hands? how? >> yes. he does not have one person in charge of deciding what documents go to special counsel mueller. he has these two fellows, his private lawyers, wanting to give mueller whatever he wants and he has the white house legal counsel. all very fine lawyers, wanting to hold some things back. you cannot do that. if mccann puts things in a safe and doesn't tell the president's criminal lawyers about it and they think they have given the special counsel everything and meanwhile there are things in the safe they don't know about there is a serious issue there with credibility and communication between the president's lawyers and the special prosecutor. >> we always have these debates no matter the administration over executive privilege. what you want to protect and what you want to make public. >> when you are holding something back from the government you have to tell them i'm holding this back for the following reason. you can't pretend it

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john dowd according to the new york times, forwarded a message defending the president's statements aboute violence between white supremacists and counter protesters in charlottesville. >> i think there's blame on both sides. >> the message said, in part, the black lives matter movement has been totally infiltrated by terrorist groups. ty cobb sparred with a reporter who released an e-mail who asked if she was on drugs. mark ssowitz has left the team, but this summer, he got this response. f you, how dare you send me an e-mail like that. >> perhaps that overheard meeting in the restaurant is not so surprising. the former attorney general for virginia says. >> this is really really below the standards of any lawyer. this should never have happened, and it's something we're talked to about and taught about as budding lawyers all the way back in law school. >> does any of this mean these lawyers cannot effectively represent the president? no, of course not but it does mean when michael cohen meets with members of the senate tomorrow, he could meet with more thorny questions than he expects.

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john dowd is the fellow with his hand on his head.hat is peculiar is they would know what ken vogel looks like, who he works for and he's sitting, maybe not five feet away. we talk about the president and speeches every morning on "today in the bay." you can contact me directly on twitter to tell me what you think. >> thank you, scott. 6:50 right now. monday morning. ahh. that's right. >> when i saw you this morning, you were like, it's monday. what makes it easier is we have such beautiful weather. we cannot say the same for our friends on the east coast as we continue to track hurricane jose with wind speeds up 85 miles an hour. it's made the seas rough for the atlantic and extending toward new england. this is expected to continue on as a category 1. it is not expected to make land fall, but will be dangerously close to some areas in new england over several days as a tropical storm. watching hurricane maria now moving over some of the same islands that were completely dev stated by hurricane irma and it's now a category 2 hurrican

point out this is something that since before ty cobb came on board, when you saw, for example, john dowd and the other lawyers came on, that that's the direction this team would be moving in when it came to the president. >> we were talking about a situation where you have a special counsel mueller in place. i'm not sure how much public opinion really matters. but i am curious about this. obviously, trump's critics are saying, he went after the fbi director because of what the fbi director was doing about russia. this could be obstruction of justice. he seems to be looking temperature. on the other hand you look jim comey's credibility. i'm curious, from a p.r. standpoint how this works. >> it's clear that a lot of the part of case that the trump team is most worried about is the potential obstruction of justice charge related to his dealing with comey. what do you in those situations, you try to impeachment the credibility of both witnesses. the fact we are talking on a cable news brams two different set of draft memos shows me we've gotten to a stage where it is getting somewhere fast.

john dowd represents the president in his personal capacity and ty cobb is white house counsel so they to those clients to be discussing this in the open where they can be overheard, really opens up a lot of issues including waiving potential privileges and based on what was reported it's now given mueller a new potential avenue of investigation. there may be a document in don mcgan's safe that he is now going to have questionses abo a and may want to see. >> ken cuccinelli, would you waive executive privilege? >> well, that's a broad question, and you can't just say on all things or nothing you take them one point at a time and don mcgan's obvious concern is if i waive it here or i waived it there and that's his role. he's white house counsel. i appreciate the fact that in the new york times article the comment these two lawyers made as it reflected on don mcgan showed a cautious white house counsel who is concerned about the precedence as they relate to the presidency. of course, the president is donald trump, but he's doing his institutional job well, that being don mcgann at least

attorney john dowd according to "the new york times" forwarded a message defending the president's statementse supremacists and counterprotesters in charlottesville. >> i think there's blame on both sides. >> reporter: the message said the black lives matter message has been totally infiltrated by terrorist groups. a business insider released an e-mail that asked if she was on drugs. this summer, this is the response asking for casocz to refine. the former governor for virginia says -- >> this is really, really below the standards for any lawyer. this should never have happened. it's something we're talked to and taught about as budding lawyers all the way back in law school. >> tom foreman, cnn, washington. >> coming up live in the next hour of "cnn newsroom," we'll have the reaction to the president's fights with some of the biggest name in sports. don't go away. t-mobile's unlimited now includes netflix on us. that's right, netflix on us. get four unlimited lines for just forty bucks each. taxes and fees included. and now, netflix included. so go ahead, binge on us. another reason why t-mo

president trump's lawyers ty cobb and john dowd were overheard chatting at a washington stake house byew york times reporter. the president's legal team is clashing on how much to cooperate with special counsel mueller. can you believe this, an open conversation right next for the times washington bureau? >> all right. so it is shocking. and there's sort of two parts to it. with unis the substance of the conversation they were having. in any investigations vofg the president there's going to be questions about the scope of executive privilege. there's going to be potentially disagreements about how much you might want to cooperate with investigators versus wanting to assert that privilege. so the fact that there were some clashes, that's not necessarily so significant. what is incredibly significant is, one, that these lawyers saw fit to have this conversation sort of in public in the first place. i mean, it really is shockingly bad john mccain. the second is that it appears that the sort of the conflicts here aren't just about whether or not special counsel mueller can get access to t

it's quite clear that john dowd, who is an oud lawyer, has an attorney-client privilege with donald trumpuch can be protected in conversations within the government between don mcgahn and the president, between ty cobb and the president, among those lawyers who work for the government, that's a complicated and unresolved question. and i think john dean is right that when the two lawyers speak, it's not exactly clear what the privilege is. what is clear is if you're talking loudly in a restaurant, anybody can listen. >> carl, would breaking watergate have been easier if john dean and other were blurting stuff out during lunch near the "washington post." >> well, it would have been nice if they were there for breakfast and we were right next to them. but i think there's something very important that's happened here and what we are seeing in this argument among lawyers and their concern about the vulnerability of the president of the united states. and what these lawyers know and incidentally dowd is the one who really counts because he is trump's lawyer. the others are not. trump also has a

again i would point out this is something before ty cobb came on board, when you saw, for example, john dowd, the other lawyers take over, a hint that that is the direction that this administration this team would be move income when it came to the president here. >> matt, we are talking about a situation within you have a special counsel mueller in place. i'm not sure how much public opinion matters on who is more credible. i am curious, obviously, trump's critics are out there saying, look, there is all sorts of reason to believe he went after the fbi director. this could be obstruction of justice, we know mueller seems to be looking at that question. on the other hand, you look at james comey's public credibility. it wasn't that long ago. every democrat hated him, every republican hated him. this is somebody, i'm curious from a pr stand poipt. >> it's clear a lot of the part of the case that the trump team is most worried about is the potential obstruction of justice charge relating to his dealing with comey and whether he pressured comey to drop the investigation and at various points he

an attorney representing the president, john dowd, says the campaign is not done yet, that he's personally delivering the documents. as for current and former white house aides and former campaign aides to donald trump, they are all apparently getting a singular warning from their own attorneys. politico reports it this way. "lawyers representing donald trump's current and former aides are giving their clients one simple piece of advice. don't lie to protect the president." adding "they're actively warning their clients that any bonds connecting them to trump won't protect them from criminal charges if federal prosecutors can nail them for perjury, making false statements or obstruction of justice." today the white house, again, had to defend the president's decision to fire fbi director james comey. a topic back in the news because steve bannon says it was the worst mistake in modern political history. sarah huckabee sanders was asked about it today from the podium of the briefing room. >> is the president aware steve bannon, firing james comey as the biggest mistake in modern political h

trump lawyer john dowd said he would not discuss his communications with mueller.nother lawyer said, quote, we have respect for the special counsel. out of respect for his process we will not discuss incremental responses. on monday they reported that they are keenly focused on the president's role in crafting the misleading response to the report that his son don jr. met with a kremlin-linked lawyer during the campaign. one of the reporters who broke the story about the trump's meeting with the lawyer joins me now. how does it work? >> they've met with robert mueller in person and his team. it is unclear whether it was at mueller's office -- presumably. >> and these memos, these are sort of trying to make the case ahead of time that the president didn't obstruct justice. >> that's right. there were two memos, at least two memos we know of. the first was submitted with regard to -- it was a legal argument by the president's lawyers concerning what they see as an argument why he can't be charged or investigated for obstructing justice. and the second concerned their

a reporter tweeting a photo with the caption "here's a photo of trump attorney and john dowd, casuallynd loudly discussing details of russia investigations at blt steak d.c. while i sat at the next table." says that he was overheard saying he wants to turn over as many documents as possible in hopes of quickly ending the probe. julian looks shocked. white house costal gloom and counsel to hold back some information so they can exert ee decisions. i will go to your first purchase before i had not heard that before, i just saw this live on the air, i'm thinking, oh, i know if you go anywhere in downtown d.c., you can hear some of the nation's worst kept secrets, but anything to do with people that are actively involved in the russia investigation, like you think that they would rent a conference room or something. that is shocking. >> kennedy: or whisper. >> gillian: it is so inappropriate and frankly irresponsible and dangerous. if that's reporting is true. it is really, really bad amateur move. >> kennedy: lanny davis was on the train going from d.c. to new york, two reporters simultan

but one of the men outside that's leading the president's legal team right now, john dowd confirms to to the best of his knowledge, the president wasn't presented with this proposal. he called it absurd but he did acknowledge there were some differences within the team on what should happen to jared kushner. >> i mean, this one is stunning to me. people who i talked to inside the white house have said the problem with jared is he doesn't know what he doesn't know. and he could be a danger -- >> i'm going to save peter alexander from getting into this conversation because we're about to get into it. peter, thank you. good to see you, my friend. you know hope -- >> hicks? >> and we know jared. the fact is there's nothing wrong with these people. they're good people. but even kushner, his portfolio of responsibilities, it's kind of remarkable. world peace, middle east peace, cleaning up most of -- >> china, innovation, technology. >> -- making government more effective. like you described hope hicks, not a bad person. but a very limited world view and perspective on things given her work

while to shook out to the point where today at least being led inside by ty cobb and outside by john dowd. that is not the case in june. there was a turmoil, the team sort of sidelined. no question that the previous legal team, the one basically sidelined, had the problem with jared kushner. he was talking to the president. their client. outside of the their presence on the issue of the investigation. they felt that undercut everybody and it was not the smart way to do business. that came to a head and i think a reason they're no longer the main part of the legal team. >> we have a statement from one of president trump's lawyers ty cobb apparently. the president's special counsel. he is not one of the lawyers that this article is actually talking about so he may not have the vaguest idea what he's talking about saying that "wall street journal" is completely false. jared kushner is one of the president's most trusted, able and intelligent advisers. kind of a meaningless statement that has only relevant line of completely false and, max, that's from someone not in the position to know it's

washington lawyers john dowd and ty cobb. growing tensions between these two men and white house counsel don mcgahn over how much to share with special counsel bob mueller. ty cobb complained to dowd at the steakhouse, quote, the white house counsel's office is being very conservative with this stuff. mr. cobb told mr. dowd. our view is we'

tie cobb and john's personal lawyer john dowd as they were sitting there in a public space eating lunchnd talking very, very loudly. ken vogel is joining me now from washington. you were sitting there and got the picture and the whole deal. can you just tell me, how did -- you were obviously sitting very closely. how did you realize who these people were and that this was going to be this huge scoop in the public place? >> yeah, brooke, i actually was having lunch with a source and the source noticeded that these two gentlemen came in and the source said isn't it that guy ty cob? >> with the mustache? >> he's a pretty distinctive dude. he's not going to go unnoticed in washington particularly a restaurant that is frequented not just lobbyists and lawyers, but reporters. i should point out the restaurant is 171 feet away from "the new york times" washington bureau and not the best place to have this conversation and nonetheless, we're sitting there with the source and we finished up our lunch and the source got up to leave and wanted to know if i was walking out. i said you know what? i

was overheard by a "times" reporter sitting at the table next to them who snapped this photo of john dowdawyer, and ty cobb, another big-name d.c. attorney brought in to manage the response to the russia probe. we are joined by that reporter who overheard the conversation and took the picture. kenneth vogel, washington correspondent for "the new york times." thank you for being here. a fascinating article. there's a lot to dive into here. can you just set the scene for us? you're in this restaurant. they're speaking pretty loudly. you can hear them. at some point you snap a photo. do they have any idea who you are or how loud they're being? >> i can't imagine that they would have had any idea who i was, nor how loud they were being, although they were having this conversation not just in this restaurant but in the sidewalk seating area of this restaurant where passersby, other diners, whomever, servers, could hear them talking about this incredibly sensitive subject. i was actually there meeting a source for lunch. i had my lunch with the source, we noticed these two guys who we instantly

quote, jones day has a wonderful team handling the production, according to john dowd, one of those lawyers "daily beast" today.

. >> the amazing thing about it is that both ty cobb and john dowd are not like bumpkins from iowa, looking up at the skyscrapers in new york. >> a boston snob. >> it's amazing they're sitting there in an open setting talking about what they're talking about. >> look at these two. >> many people i know are from aimes, iowa. >> we love aimes, iowa. >> don mcgahn has lawyered up in the story. everybody has lawyered up in this. clearly don mcgahn knows more about what's going on, internally, with donald trump than do ty cobb and john dowd. >> if the white house lawyers don't have the same privilege with their clients. >> i want to know how michael cohn got scheduled to testify to a senate intelligence committee the same day that president trump is addressing the u.n. and that he didn't know whether it's public or private. >> suggesting? >> lawyers don't make good witnesses. >> what's the point? >> that will be a story today. and donald trump, from a communications perspective, would want all his focus on his u.n. speech. >> that wasn't the setup. >> i have to say something there. the thing tha

the trump attorney john dowd, who joined the legal team in june leads it says he felt the proposal absurd and he never to his knowledge has taken to the president. marc kasowitz who led the legal team until july said in a statement, i never discussed with other lawyers that jared kushner should step down. i never recommended to the president jared kushner should step down. aam not aware other lawyers made such recommendation. >> all the president's lawyers are denying it. >> denying a lot. >> there is something they've denied a lot there they are kind of in -- >> in between sending inappropriate e-mails. >> and curse words, so, yeah. >> so, mike, this is something that people have talked about for some time in the white house, jared kushner may be better for jared kushner but everybody in the white house if he went back to new york and got out of the white house, because of, of a lot of things that have gone on since the transition. >> well, never mind what mueller is probing about jared kushner, just the public paper trail of jared kushner in 669 madson avenue, the building he paid too m

. >> reporter: john lithgow with his portrayal of winston churchill. and "the handmaid's tale," elisabeth moss and ann dowdfor diversity. sterling k. brown picked up best actor for "this is us." >> you are the best white tv family. >> reporter: and donald glover, the first emmy for comedy directing. aziz shared the award with theresa. it was a big year for "saturday night live." along with the awards for alec baldwin, melissa mccarthy and lorne michaels. that was handed out last weekend. >> wish i would have stayed up that late. sounds like a great show. natalie is up late and up early. >> we have more red target action. >>> let's go to dylan, in the orange room for carson. >> good morning, guys. for the stars, the emmys kicked off online before the show went live. oprah shared this photo before she stepped on to the red carpet. elizabeth mass showed her preshow facial before she went on to win for lead actress. and jess isica biel posts, whene a.c. is broken on the way to the emmy, thank god for the ice in your cup. and people don't lend her things. bloom carefullied, we didn't ask gucci to dress me. that