nick hytner, who we actually had on this programme talking about reducing ticket prices.worked. the young aren't saying, "oh my god, we mustn't go there, it's arty, it's difficult, like going back to school," not at all. the place is packed with people with their £10 notes. that's progress. but if one looks at where the theatres are most packed, it's not in the sort of serious theatre that nick hytner is doing, it's in the west end with the musicals, musicals which dominate the west end scene now. correction, the national theatre has been fantastically full on its £10 policy. i mean fantastically. i grant you it's been full but with all due respect, there's one national theatre but there are dozens and dozens of west end theatres which are full night after night churning out musicals, what one leading critic has called turning the west end into a virtual disneyland. i think that's a very good parallel, absolutely. well, i would be the last person to say we should stop anything in the theatre because by its convulsions it makes new work, new ideas. but if you actually thin