when we think about the passenger experience for the dewitt clinton, it is much different from being in closed cars. there is not much protection, even when you are in the stagecoach body. when there is inclement water -- inclement weather, you are going to get wet and cold. toy -- some could be enough set closing on fire. there are some stories of people on the first ride of the dewitt clinton using umbrellas to protect themselves from fires. networks and -- that works until they caught fire. if you opened of the window, you might catch a face full of smoke or soot. we have the open plan of railroad compartments, where you or four people. in the united states, everyone was in the same car. eventually you would have some conflict your seatmate. you might want the window open, someone might be cold. you might have or someone readig softly, you might have someone reading lovely. you might have someone talking. basically the same with airplanes today, whether it is the crying baby or the person that wants to talk while you want to sleep. than your clothes catching fire, but nonetheless

dewitt. >> good to see you liz. >> liz: it looks like the media is reporting on this the dnc and hillary clinton campaign funding theo you think of the coverage right now? >> jeff: i think they're being forced to finally look into this i don't think they have a choice but how amazing and what a tangled web the democrats do wea ve where they come up with this fake dossier funded by the hillary clinton campaign and the dnc with russian sources to try to discredit president trump or then candidate trump and now it turns around that they're the ones colluding with russia, and the amazing thing as you pointed out earlier this dossier was used to get wire taps in trump tower. this was used to get a special prosecutor appointed. >> liz: that's speculation. we think that, that's what intelligence officials we've talked to believe, they speculate that. but you agree with that right? >> jeff: it seems by all the evidence out there that that was the case. you know there is evidence out there that the fbi actually paid some of the cost of this dossier which that's a severe misuse of taxpayer funds if that's the case. i know a s

dewitt -- >> james lee wit has given me an a. plus for our hurricane efforts, and he says james lee wit, director of fema and clinton. respect. you know that that's nonsense, that he never heard of that guy before this moment. and he gave it to me for all the hurricanes, including puerto rico and it turns out that wasn't true. it was given for just the first two. >> irma and harvey. >> so you think to yourself, there's something almost pathological about it. you know, he can't stop himself from just -- in that moment he feels like this will sound better. why don't i say i know this guy really well. >> people kbel lish all the time, but when you're the leader of the free world, that's a whole another level. >> really interesting question that's why i think it's pathological. why do it? it doesn't really give you much advantage. it ends up producing this firestorm of fact checking and criticism. i'm not sure that he can stop himself. >> yeah. the canadian man who was just rescued by the taliban in pakistan says that when he was told by his captures that donald trump is the american president, he thought they were jokin