a room... >> yes, our art room. >> hinojosa: ...that is open... >> one potters wheel. >> hinojosa: ...and there's music coming out? >> yeah, he has jazz music on, he's got a coffee pot-- most important-- and he makes a great, big, old ceramic bowl, and i'd never seen that done before. it was magical. >> hinojosa: now, you were, at this point, a kid who was, like... >> drifting. >> hinojosa: ...drifting. >> yeah. >> hinojosa: you could have easily gone down the wrong road. >> an african american male drifting in america is highly in danger. you're either going to get yourself killed, or you're going to go to jail, or something in between. >> hinojosa: and part of the reason why you were drifting is because the messages that you were getting... this is 1960... late 1960s. >> correct. >> hinojosa: so as a young african american man... >> the streets are on fire, riots are going on, dr. king was assassinated. these were very turbulent times, and people were in deep rebellion. and so what i saw was rebellion, drugs, violence, a lot of really regressive behavior that surrounded everybody i