then he gets put on his rear end by joe frazier in the 14th round, a vicious left hook. he was up in a second and a half. he later said he was unconscious on the way down in the ground woke up. he bounces right back up, finishes that fight, he loses and he has to start fighting his way back to a rematch with fraser come a shot at the heavyweight championship and this is when americans show respect for him because his toughness is not in question. used to be thought he was so quick and pretty and talkative that he wasn't a true champ but now people begin to admire his tenacity if nothing else. still may not agree with his politics but in the 70s the civil rights movement has moved off the street and into the courts. mohammed ali is a popular figure, he's on johnny carson all the time. he said he hated white people, white people were the blue-eyed devil and is still saying stuff like that but also joking with johnny carson and has the ability to charm us. impossible to hate the guy. his high school girlfriend that you cannot be in a bad mood around mohammed ali. even peopl

>> and that gave him some bad scores but joe frazier wasgs kind to ali. he would lend him money to find work and when ali returned to the ring he was brutal toward frazier. and tried to humiliate him. because your daddy is an uncle tomte because he would treat his white opponents better than his black opponents. but ifou somebody said back off. it isn't funny anymore. ali thought that would give him an edge but he later apologized but i got the impression it was too little too late thanks for being here. if has been a pleasure. [applause] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] here's a look at arts recently featured on booktv afterwards our weekly author interview program. former radio host and msnbc contradict tore charles provided his thought on the conservative movement in america. investigative journalist art lavigne reported on mental health industry, and "new york times" magazine contradict tore suzie reflected on her travels abroad and weighed in on american's global staging in the coming weeks on afterwards fe

then he goes in the ring with joe frazier. he investigated whooped and knocked on his butt.s when people started feeling differently. >> the accounting is the punch hello e took in the ring, over 2,000 punches in his career, was already taking a tone. >> his own team was seeing it quite early. >> shockingly early. his fight doctor, ring doctor said he saw damage as early as 1971. >> this might be my last fight tonight. >> changes in his speech, in his ability to pay attention and yaw saw it after the very first joe frazier fight. he never recovered from that. >> eig worked with scientists at the university of arizona university to study ali's speech as an indicator of cognitive damage. >> his speech decline by 26%. >> what do you mean? >> number of syllables per second. >> he's got to beat -- >> if even his own team saw it, why did he keep fighting? >> money. he saw it too. ali talked about it. his wives, his parents, they said, we can't understand what you're saying. he knew it was wrong but he still kept fighting. >> he's a myth. figure but also a very human figure. >> som

and by now, by 1971, our views on vietnam have changed and then gets in the ring with joe frazier andon his butt and gets up again. and i think that moment when he gets up is the moment when people begin to feel differently about muhammad ali. >> but the pounding he was taking if the ring, more than 200,000 punches over the course of his career, was already taking a toll. >> ali's own team started s it quite early. >> shockingly early. his fight doctor, his ring doctor freddy pacheco saw damage as early as 1971. >> this might be my last fight tonight. >> changes in his speech and his ability to pay attention and he saw it after the first joe frazier fight and that he never recovered from that. >> he worked with scientists at arizona state university to study ali's speech, as an indicator of cognitive damage. >> from 1970 to 1980 and he is still fighting at the age of 38 his speech declined by 26%. >> when you say his speech declines, what do you mean. >> the number of syllables per second. >> if even his own team saw it why did he keep fighting. >> money. he saw it too. he talked abou

joe frazier. >> liz: joe frazier.rollins, and he's sitting right here. >> i lived a little longer than he did. >> liz: [laughter] good to see you ed. republicans pushing ahead on tax cuts, pass a budget resolution that goes to the senate. can they get it done by christmas? we're bringing in economist look whose here, the one and only and another champ, he's ben stein. also the markets continue the record streak, but are there warning signs you need to hear about to protect your money? we break down the numbers don't go away. so what else is new? how's your mother? umm..she's doing good. she needs more care though. she wants to stay in her house. i don't know even where to start with that. first, let's take a look at your financial plan and see what we can do. ok, so we've got... we'll listen. we'll talk. we'll plan. baird. ♪ can i kick it? ♪ yes you can ♪ can i kick it? ♪ yes you can ♪ can i kick it? ♪ yes you can ♪ well i'm gone is everything ok?adt, i could hear crackling in the walls, and my mind went totally blank

. >> so i never understood joe frazier was disheartened but thater he took it too far and i thought that frazier died better did you find out of that relationship was rectified? to read that is what he was not proud of and that eight agents gave him some bad marks for. but when ali returned he was brutal. but also the highest credit is a shame that nobody has ever said back off. it isn't funny anymore. i the guy that would give him an edge in the rain that was psychological. but later he apologized but we got the impression maybe it was too little too late. >> this is a great baroque festival. -- but festival. [applause] [inaudible conversations]. >> as we noted the difficult part of iraq and afghanistan was figuring out what happened in the aftermath of the iraq with the rise of the insurgency is special operations are called in as the manhunt to find a centcom is and his son if they do find them he is captured and it is hoped initially that decapitation strike will put a lid on the uncertainty and there are others that are willing and ready so we find ourselves in the prolonged insurge

even he was -- he was teasing joe frazier, teasing george foreman, as his life went on, my read was thatto feel some sort of way when people confronted him about the way he demeaned people, even though he saw it mostly as joking and teasing and selling a fight. there was this part of him, particular iii end of his life -- and you write about that brilliantly -- how once he could no longer talk, he went into overdrive to try to do every single thing he could every hour of the day, as he said to me, to earn his way into the kingdom. >> that's right. >> tell me more about -- about this just overwhelming desire he had to just be good to everybody, to be kind to everybody, and to not ever say a word that would make people feel horribly. >> yeah -- >> including the viet cong apparently. >> right. even when he said white people were the blue-eyed devil, he said it with a twinkle in his eye. you couldn't hate him. he would go on johnny carson and talk to jerry lewis and make jokes. at the same time, he's saying all white people were going to die. how he pulled it this off, this amazing balancing

time, where he was, almost a heavyweight champion of the world as he was getting ready to fight joe frazier in the 60's and early 70's. >> thanks very much, steve. 4:02. two young boys found dead inside their home in wilmington, absolute tragedy. police say they have made an arrest, lets get tout lauren johnson with what we know at this hour. lauren? >> reporter: good morning, karen. they are not saying who that person is rear assuming it is boys mother because she was in police custody yesterday. she made the 911 call asking for a wellness check for her sons but it was too late. now a memorial outside the home to remember the young lives. last night, the community gathered hand in hand, praying for the young, helpless victims, the vigil happening steps away from the home at ninth and adams here in wilmington where police discover the dead boy's inside of the bathtub, at the same time mother called police, people in the neighborhood were reporting a gas leak, everyone was ordered outside, and then allowed back inside but not before learning about a tragedy, nearby. >> children looked like t