mr. pozner, you talked about certainty factor. >> of the time we wrote it back in 2009, there was a lot of uncertainty in the economy because of actions that president obama was taking and it went along progressive lines as opposed to conservative economic lines which i think the business community would've preferred. a respected tax and energy in regulation, there is great uncertainty in the business community about where the government was going and what kind of an obstacle it would become. we tried to convey the message that if the government would provide some positive certainty that we could rise out of the recession and at that point we were really still in the recession until june of 2009. we were out of it technically but i think people thought for years we were out of it in reality. if you want the kind of dynamic economic growth that you're expecting rising out of a recession, you have to do some positive things and give the business community some certainty that you're not going to hurt them. >> what are some of the measurements. >> the ones that we focus on were tax reform, ene

mr. pozner, you talked about certainty factor.