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as he publishes an article a few months later in the galaxy, december 1876, he thinks he has a perry mason moment he has caught howard in , an inconsistency. that generalproves howard contradicts himself. in his report he admits that "when i arrived on the field he knew that general meade 70 to to supersede him. " in his article, it did not strike him that hancock without troops was doing more than directing matters as a temporary chief of staff for meade. if he stands by his report, he falls by his article. if he stands by his article, he falls by his report." so i think the facts are pretty pretty well on hancock's side. ,and he makes a good point here. but i am going to explain now why i don't think what transpired between them was particularly important. here is what i mean. hancock has this commanding transpired between them was presence. hancock has a reputation. people know about him. people respect him. people want to want to follow , his orders. wast was hancock who animated, who was dynamic, who is magnetic in appearing to the fleeing soldiers. soonal laurent -- warren, to become

and, in fact, we were talking about watching perry mason. aid when i was watching perry may soften as a kid -- mason as a kid, i didn't understand that della street was the secretary, i thought she was a lawyer. dan did point out, well, she was always pouring coffee. i said, yeah, but she didn't type. [laughter] i think you have a question over there at the mic. a question. >> oh, i'm sorry. yes, sir. >> thank you. i've got two unrelated questions and, hopefully, i'll have time for each question, one for each author. first of all, you mentioned sort of a seemingly sheltered type arrangement in terms of your awareness of certain things, and i'm curious particularly since both your parents were attorneys what was your awareness of particularly some of the white figures in the civil rights movement who were really going against the grain and all of that? i'm thinking particularly about the durrs, for example, or judge frank johnson and what type of awareness did you have about these particular figures when you were growing up. >> well, the durrs

you described the trial, thought about trayvon's troll bought i thought i had watched too much perry mason. >> i'll repeat the question. the question is, how did i as an historian come to tell the story in a particular way and say what happened if we don't know so much of what we don't know -- so much of what -- if we don't know very much about what really happened, what really happened between carolyn bryant and emmett till, there's some mystery the but only a one-minute mystery. his cousins were with him and they were not parted for long, and then she told the story to her lawyer. >> but the cause of what happened -- the cops had lied. they wouldn't have been free to tell the throughout, the cousins, given the atmosphere in mississippi. >> i think they told the truth. for example, this was also called the wolf whistle case there he whistled at her, and then maimy bradley, his mother, said he had a speech impediment and when he had trouble get his words out, she told him to whistle. well, that's not true. in my opinion. what the brilliant -- the necessity of saying that, however, is profo

. >> reporter: and now in court, a real life perry mason moment. >> this is state's exhibit 121. >> reportero the jury could have a good look. >> this is the golf club. >> the one with the purple club head? >> yes, ma'am. >> reporter: how did newlin get that club? well, folsom never did make it to the house. so newlin got a search warrant, and went for a little look-around. >> i went into the master bedroom, and there's this golf club just sitting in the corner, and part of me laughed inside. >> bingo. >> yeah, bingo. >> it must've looked like a beautiful, big, fat piece of evidence that would help make the case into a slam dunk. >> i literally looked at it for a minute. i was like, seriously? when i actually went up to the golf club and photographed it, and collected it, there was cobwebs on it. it had been there for a little while. i mean, it wasn't overnight. >> reporter: this was one for the books; a jailhouse snitch supported by actual evidence, and cappleman had one more surprise. she called crime lab analyst and dna expert jo ellen brown. >> i received or was able to develop a complet

. >> there will be a perry mason graham trial. 90% of these cases go to plea bargain.e judge was right, who could squeeze in what further charges are brought in the trump empire against individuals. >> the judges here, judge napolitano does bring them into president trump. >> democrats already going to put this right into the camp of the donald trump campaign and even after the election they will do it to associate paul manafort at donald trump. ashley: case was also charged out of a super pac this year. >> todd again, according to the indictment, and set up domestic accounting companies, foreign accounts and companies. we are talking the timeline that goes back to 22,006. maybe their association of president trump long after this couldn't have been somebody thought all of this dustup a long time ago. headlines are going to say one ring mainstream media will say one thing. will the market be influenced by this? >> the market will continue on its current portion. the next big step will be to unveil the tax plan on wednesday and whether or not they want to cut these 401(

and, in fact, we were talking about watching perry mason. aid when i was watching perry may soften as a kid -- mason as a kid, i didn't understand that della street was the secretary, i thought she was a lawyer. dan did point out, well, she was always pouring coffee. i said, yeah, but she didn't type. [laughter] i think you have a question over there at the mic. a question. >> oh, i'm sorry. yes, sir. >> thank you. i've got two unrelated questions and, hopefully, i'll have time for each question, one for each author. first of all, you mentioned sort of a seemingly sheltered type arrangement in terms of your awareness of certain things, and i'm curious particularly since both your parents were attorneys what was your awareness of particularly some of the white figures in the civil rights movement who were really going against the grain and all of that? i'm thinking particularly about the durrs, for example, or judge frank johnson and what type of awareness did you have about these particular figures when you were growing up. >> well, the durrs

we talked about watching perry mason as a kid and i didn't understand that she was the secretary.ought she was a female lawyer. she was always pouring coffee and i said yeah but she didn't type so i didn't recognize it. i think you have a question at the microphone over there. >> i'm sorry. yes, sir? >> i have two questions, one for each author. first of all, you mentioned sort of seemingly sheltered arrangement in terms of your awareness of certain things and i'm curious to both your parents that were attorneys, what was your awareness of particularly some of the white figures in the civil rights movement who were really going against the grain in alabama. o i think particularly about the jurors for example or judge frank johnson and about what time about awareness should you have about these particular figures when you were growing up. >> they were the ones who bailed rosa parks out of jails. a i almost have no recollection of anything to do with them because that was-- i was three years old so i didn't know anything about that.u the attitude of some white families in the montgo