qaddafi was another part of the country. it became immediately worse. today, talking about the first -- i talk local issue about history to show libya has always been divided and has never know democracy. the ottomans, the italians, and the kings, it was not a democracy. and then of course qaddafi. 2011,verything started in we had a country incredibly weak. and difficult to define today as a state in my opinion. problems.ave many divisions ine every possible way. .e have political divisions and should delete we have the --lowers of what was the gnc we have the followers of what was the gnc. then we had tribal divisions. a few days ago, libya had clashes between two tribes, men of two tribes. it is continuously a clash between different divisions. on top of these divisions, we have asked arnold actors, and they are doing their business. side, i cannot say europe because it is a mess. asly and the united states part of the international community. they support the gna. side, we have other external actors like russia, who were

but all the power in his hands did not work, and a few years after, muammar gaddafi qaddafi, , and --kernel, came out el came out, and had a revolution. the country was incredibly divided. decades, we are talking about almost 40 years, can did get the country united -- moammar qaddafi did get the country united. divide and rule. and he did exactly the same with the little ethnic universities, with the tribes, putting one against the other, and when that was not enough he used the italians. the hates, against the colonialists. the country was incredibly divided and more market op he took these divisions, in the universities, as a tool to better manage the country. the revolution, the arab spring came, the country ,as profoundly divided already and one part of the country, the qaddafi, andfight so it became immediately, a civil war. talking about the first issue, the local issue, i talk about history to make you understand libya has never been united. libya has never really known democracy because ottomans, king, it and then the was not a democracy because libya in certain times has bee

that mobilized those your called al qaeda to fight against qaddafi.he same french government that mobilized the so-called al qaeda mali, in niger, is mobilizing in the united nations to get the african union to get toe countries in africa support france, to get the united nations to send millions of dollars in the so-called fight. the challenge for us in the peace and justice movement is to oppose the united states and france in the so-called war on terror. with the people in africa need is money for reconstruction, health, housing, employment, and changing the natural environment so that the millions of use can get jobs. it makes no sense for the united states of america to be spending $100 million to build a base in niger when france already has a military base and france is using the united nations in the so-called multidimensional peacekeeping force in this so-called war on terror. what we need is for a massive campaign to get the truth about why these people are in niger, mali, and chad. because there is no war on terror going on when they financ

qaddafi had a nuclear and chemical weapons program that he gave up completely in 2003, not just partiallylike iran hasm he done but completely it allowed the international community to come over and take c everything. for other countries that mak might be thinking about doing the same thing, they look at he gave up his chemical nuclear weapons program and look what happened to him in 2014. i think that is unfortunate of it example that they will say if i want to survive this and i want my regime to stay intact, maybe i better hold onto these weapons of mass destruction and that's overseeing happen in north korea. hopefully that's not what we will see in iran but it does pose a major challenge to nonproliferation. you work with these regimes that might be really bad but try to give them reassurances in order for them to give up their dangerous weapons or after the regimes himself.veve >> and crestline, richard, hello. >> thanks for taking my call. you said general mattis and other people in the administration are going to be in on the decision. general mattis came out and said they want to

mentioned,the caller qaddafi was a big financial supporter and backer of various sub-saharan countriestrying to engage in some united states of africa, which is kind of symbolic. but what is more importantly discuss qaddafi is that once libya became destabilized and he was overthrown, the matter what type of dictator he was, it led to a chain of events that led to the destabilization of molly and affected nigeria. and of course mali is north of niger, and it has put terrible stress on niger to do with these growing insurgencies. thatsulted from weapons less qadhafi's arsenal after 2011, and militants from mali that had served as mercenaries with qaddafi and return to their home country, ignited ever gotion in mali and that bled into niger. the destabilization of libya has had an enormous impact on the security of neighboring states. host: we are talking the jacob zenn, a fellow of african eurasian affairs at the jamestown foundation, and is testify before the house committee on foreign affairs, subcommittee of europe, eurasia, and even merging threads on islamic, military threats to eu

ovation, there was a lovefest," that is the sort of language we are used to hearing from colonel qaddafikim jong-un, not the president of the united states. rep. kinzinger: yeah. i mean, look, like i said, when i read that twitter, it is kind of like, why? please don't. at the same time, world leaders, interesting leaders, colorful leaders in the past, like in europe, for instance, and you see that and you say, well. the relationships with countries go beyond what leaders say. now it can be damaging, but we , always have a relationship that goes beyond it. look, the president -- there is a lot of things internationally i agree with in principle. the tone i don't. frankly, we are lucky because we have a lot of great people around him, and he tends to allow them to help him and make decisions when it comes to things like what to do in syria, what to do with iran, etc. katty: adam kinzinger, thank you for joining us. rep. kinzinger: yeah, anytime, see you. jane: the u.s. has expressed over efforts by both parties in kenya to undermine electoral independence. opposition leader raila odinga i

previous leader was supporting then i didn't an easier they were supporting gadhafi they welcome qaddafi in paris and all of a sudden he's a terrorist he's the bad guy. and france is playing the the i has to write the whole thing that's going to be wrong and blas what ease now the discourse about this from us is making the french muslim second class citizen by do we suspect that the state of emergency stalled getting muslims in the way in an incident and way and i think that this is where we have to say you are right by telling us we have to be clear on why not extremist what about your foreign policy what about your domestic policy so on the question of domestic policy towards muslims and western countries we have this tweet here from nestle and listen to it she says western muslims aren't part of mainstream society and she says because my daughter suffered harassment in australian schools for being the only muslim student to bring it to europe i want you to take a listen to this video comment we got from she's a ph d. research researcher in france. a recent survey conducted by the vien

i think back to an interview qaddafi did of muammar some years ago. please welcome me in welcoming -- please join me and welcoming secretary panetta and ms. wayman. [applause] >> good afternoon. thank you all for coming. on behalf of the hudson institute, what i hope will be a fascinating afternoon. it starts off with leon panetta, who i am sure we will all be fascinated to hear from considering the number of crises going on all over the world today. so, i cannot help but ask you first of all -- north korea. how do you see the situation? do you think where close to war? how do you assess north korea? >> first of all, my thanks to the hudson institute for inviting me here and for having this opportunity. worldwe are living in a where there are a huge number of points.nts and danger probably more flashpoints then we have seen since the end of world war ii. the middlees in east. isis. the war against terrorism. iran. continuing support for terrorism. north korea. russia. china. cyber attacks. i mean, this is a dangerous world. demands very strong u.s. le

we run the leaders of these countries out like bashar al-assad or saddam hussein or qaddafi libya, itge and often you can get something worse like isis. >> what is happening right now is two things have gone on, one is the trump administration releasing rules of engagement that allowed us to do hot pursuit and other types of effective engagement of the enemy that were not allowed before. the second thing is the kurds have stepped into the plate big time, winning in mosul and winning in raqqa is in large part due to kurdish help. when you look at post-conflict syria, you have to have a conversation about kurdish independence which is a tough topic for syria, turkey and iraq to talk about, but they are a strong and ardent ally of the united rates for multiple multiple years and engagements. jillian: you break up one form of isis and you will see another one pop up in some other way. the fear is real so the question is how do you expect that to pop up? al qaeda be bigger and stronger to get our report they have been recruiting isis members. >> usama bin laden's son, his favorite son has

moammar qaddafi from libya, he said we can win this war and force sharia without firing a shot.ll he said is we need to have more kids than they do. they haven't forgotten the end of the world under this version. i'm not trying to generalize. a lot of the terrorists, that's what they want. when they see us bickering over silly stuff, they're laughing and they know they can win it. >> neil: rob o'neal that man that took out osama bin laden. and the epa under trump is doing more for the environment under the prior administration. more coming up. scott pruitt is next. i was a go. i had purpose and i loved it. you never told me you were a hero. you are my hammer out there. don't let these young guys see you fold. ♪ i'm only human ♪ i make mistakes get down! ♪ i'm only human ♪ it's all it takes ♪ don't put the blame on me thank you for looking after my son. we're brothers. we look after each other. thank you for your service. rated r. ♪ don't put the blame on me . >> neil: here's why stocks keep going up and up. ibm out with better than expected sales and profits. the stock up about

in libya which completely fell apart under the obama administration after the overthrow of muammar qaddafi. >> bret: as the administration drops the hammer on terrorists in iraq and syria on terrorists. it's like a water balloon. it goes somewhere else. west africa has been that someplace else. >> as you squeeze, you are seeing isis flow to afghanistan. that's why the strategy to stay engaged there is so important. you've seen isis takeover city in the southern philippines and you are seeing them hot and heavy in western iraq. that's what our green berets are so important to do. they are specialized in training local forces for the long term so they can take the fight on their own. we need power we need power in the short-term but in the long term we have to undermine the ideology and train our partners. >> bret: we are getting ready to go the go to the white hous. the president getting ready to meet with advisors. the president made comments on iran and bump stocks. >> thank you very much. thank you. you'll be hearing about iran shortly. thank you. appreciate it. >> thank you, sir. >> tha

these nuclear weapons is what is preventing him from being in the same vote as saddam hussein and qaddafi who either didn't get a nuclear weapon program or gave up their program, he certainly doesn't want to fall in their path and he sees this as a guarantee against that. what conceivable set of policies could ever persuade him to give those up? >> what, i think we have to step back and see what should be our objective. let's think about who is this guy. who is kim jong-un. now, i and others have used words like he's unhinged, and trying to send a message that he's not a rational actor. the fact of the matter is, he is exceedingly paranoid. he is indescribably violent, but he's rational. why do i think he's rational? he is rational because what you just said, he is focused on maintaining the regimes hold on north korea. he does view his nuclear capability as his ace in the hole. i am with jim clapper and other experts on this which is to say the nuclear is a and is really not realistic. it does not seem, at least there's no, i haven't seen any signs that is realistic. we should be focused

qaddafi one of the outcomes for the episode with the united states economy shrinking at a five percentate or more and china still growing more than five percent? >> to cover china's economy is so dependent on exports that they are not in an enormously strong position either. i think of china and the us is a bit like dysfunctional marriage. they exchange a lot of these words but they are kinda dependent on each other as well.and it is genuinely hard for an economy like china which has been so long encouraging its exports and having in of this world-class investments driven on the coast and then in economy oriented around that. it is difficult to switch from that to being a domestic spending economy. they leave the factories and become workers or whatever else is needed. and so, china needs the us. they need the demand and the other issue talked about recently is the issue of a new global currency, a new global reserve currency and so forth. it is something the chinese themselves had thought of but china is again, this is kind of the position of weakness or dependence which is that the b

. >> and we doubled down by talking qaddafi out of his weapons too. great reporting. that piece on sunday had such impact. >> thank you. >> new reporting on the mueller investigation. investigators are lining up more interviews with white house staffers. it comes amid news that social media giant twitter may have deleted crucial evidence in the russian probe. this is "hardball" where the action is. dad: molly! trash! ( ♪ ) whoo! ( ♪ ) mom: hey, molly? it's time to go! (bell ringing) class, let's turn to page 136, recessive traits skip generations. who would like to read? ( ♪ ) molly: i reprogrammed the robots to do the inspection. it's running much faster now. see? it's amazing, molly. thank you. ( ♪ ) >>> i'm melissa ray burger with breaking news. special counsel robert mueller's counsel today interviewed reince priebus. the "washington post" is reporting that it lasted a full day. his lawyer says he was happy to answer all questions and that his appearance was voluntary. house speaker paul rooip in puerto rico today saying the government is committed for the long ha

he watches them with saddam hussein and the arab spring and mubarak and qaddafi being killed over andin and begins to believe we're after him. >> jon: and he thinks that is what, the price of democracy or the price of freedom? >> he really sees the world in two terms. his kind of world in russia where he is trying to make russia great again and the terms that american presidents see especially george w. bush after 9/11. this idea of democracy being the forward agenda of the united states to putin. the word democracy to him is something that he finds opposite to what he is trying to do. from the people we talked to, we talked to 55 people over the last few months including 30 hours of interviews in russia, and people there and here really believe that what he was trying to do was create chaos and disruption to show the people of russia and the rest of the world that democracy in america is just as bad and just as screwed up as maybe it is in his country. >> jon: didn't he tell boris yeltsin he was going to take this democracy ball and run with it? >> we have a woman in the film, a wond

a lot of troops from libya after the fall of qaddafi.the civil war, there were 2500 french troops and the rebels were destroying the historical documents in the library. we are coordinating with the and other places in africa. we definitely do not love the rebel groups getting hold of the uranium source -- we definitely do not want the rebel gro ups getting hold of the uranium source. i will hang up. host: thank you. veteran, am a 22-year retired air force. this controversy with the congresswoman, the president, and general kelly i feel was initiated primarily by the president wanting to be the best of everything, denigrating other presidents about calls and all of this. the congresswoman just happened to be in the limo when the call came in. it was placed on the speakerphone, and she heard that. she brought it out into the press. but the issue i have is with general kelly. man. felt was an honorable to stand there in front of the nation and call this congresswoman an empty barrel and noisemaker and how he was so shocked, and then there

libya completely fell apart after we overthrew the qaddafi regime but then the obama administration really we are workin working with r nigerian allies. we are working with their army. these special forces are not the types that are necessarily flying around kicking in doors. but they are embedded with the local military and the local militias to train them and to help them to eventually be able to defend themselves. brian: it looks like, colonel, from the outside perspective that someone would tip -- tipped off the attackers about the american presence. wouldn't you think? >> it looks like it. my understanding is they were going out to meet. so tribal elders and then they were hit on their way back and they were ambushed. again, these guys, it's not like iraq. these are green berets. they are not riding around in honorabled vehicles with, you know, a lot of air support overhead. they are in pickup trucks. they are in the same types of vehicles as their partner forces and they are lightly armed. brian, i think it's worth reminding folks that we are in 70 to 80 countries around the world ev

the chinese are on the phone to korea going, listen, i know you don't want to be saddam hussein or qaddafi, but becoming another hiroshima ain't going to help, so make a deal. this could be just a very, very good negotiating strategy. that's all i got to say. host: thank you, eric. next to john, joining us from akron, ohio, democrats line. good morning. caller: good morning and thanks for taking my call this morning. i'm so happy we have the first amendment. that's the right to free speech, not the right of correct speech. with that being said, listening the other day and people were calling in and talking about how bad their politicians were in washington and how they had no concern for the people of this country. and that was one of the reasons trump got elected. we wanted to put a person in the white house who was not a politician. trump is not a politician. he's not working or looking or acting like a politician. and the people that are so used to the politicians and the way they act and what they do cannot understand what this man is doing. but the best thing about it all is that we h

the north koreae negotiations, and keep in mind the north koreans have also seen what we did with qaddafiand what he did with his program. , what if you next iranian election they produce another leader and looked the new agreement that the trump , what if youadministration -- e able to get a new agreement, and say that unless the form of the agreement, could the iranians come to the table and say we want to negotiate a different agreement, different framework, the one theeel like previous administration got was , likeible agreement the tropic is expressed in the present mensuration got a horrible agreement with them -- like the trump administration is expressing, the former administration got a horrible agreement with them. guest: good point. if they choose to, decertified because there is no material evidence of a breach. breaking with our allies. then the caller brings up the third major point, why would any country, including north korea, ever trust us again? is this the way we deal with international obligations and agreements? don't take my word for it. let me read what the former p

now now that that country completely fell apart under the obama administration and weapons from the qaddafi on training the nigerian army and key police forces so that they can take the fight to these groups and they can defend their territory there. pete. jason: can you explain for the viewers and myself how do they get separated like this? how are they so isolated, our american troops over there to this attack? like, when you think about our troops and what they're usually trained to do and be on the lookout, like how did this happen? >> so there is two things. one, that these teams are trained to operate in small groups and embed with local forces. so you can have 12 green berets trained up to by doctrine 1,000 to 2,000 local national forces whether they are army or police forces. the other thing is, you know, i can't overstate how massive north africa is. niger alone is the size of twice or twice the size of texas. it is just incredibly remote. and then the third thing is and this is what i think people are getting to where was the support and the dronessenned at close air support, i th