his name's shaun. and he picked me up. he picked me up and carried me out of there. >> reporter: shaun topper flagging down a car, riding with her to the hospital. incredibly the bullet had passed through her without hitting any vital organs. when you think about the fact, karen, that you were in this situation. you were probably bleeding significantly. >> i was bleeding to death. if he didn't get me here, i would have died. >> reporter: today we were there when shaun stopped by. on his 24th birthday, he's at the bedside and says there's no better gift than seeing her recover. >> whether we like it or not, our lives are intertwined forever. >> yeah. >> reporter: shaun won't accept a hero title for what he did that night. he saw her and reacted. but smerber's husband matt says he deserves that and more. >> i'm still married today and my kids have their mom and step-mom and because of one heroic person. >> reporter: now making a strong recovery, the moments of terror haunt smerber's dreams, but when she awakes she holds on t

i'm shaun ley. the headlines at five: a canadian, kidnapped with his wife and held for nearly five years in afghanistan, speaks for the first time about the ordeal at the hands of the taliban. it's of incredible importance to my family that we are able to build a secure sanctuary for three surviving children to call a home, to focus on edification and to try to regain some portion of the childhood they have lost. tougher sentences for the perpetrators of acid attacks — victims give a cautious welcome to proposals for minimum jail terms. the fear of going to jail is always a deterrent in some way, even if it's a small way. so a start is good, is what i'm saying. there's more that needs to be done, but a start is always good. also in the next hour: the hollywood establishment holds crisis talks over harvey weinstein. oscars officials are meeting to discuss the academy's response to multiple accusations of sexual assault by the founder of miramax. weather forecasters warn that hurricane ophelia is appr

one to five months it's been unusually successful a gear for the panda breeding program in china say shaun province a total of forty two cubs have been born the most in the program's history. and just a reminder of our top stories this hour u.s. president donald trump has decertified the along nuclear deal means it's now up to congress to decide on the u.s. his continued participation in the twenty fifteen agreement trump also announced sanctions on the wrongs revolutionary guard and steps to stop the country's ballistic missile program. has to do so you're up to date more of the top of the hour say that. story that people will go for information they provide opinions they want to express to you don't want facebook and twitter up to date and in touch follow us. less. money. than me money. midnight. movie by. then months. fantastic. to be today. zack to me. and i don't cook. and. then me my. best month is. this. that's just. i'm to. get this divide. vesper guy. on vendors but. then think you. know i. feel. they've got. a guy i know. that's. my. only hit. on. my. after you killed me. it took

shaun hampton sheriff de sacramento el sargento shaun hampton dice que es importante seguir practicando sus estrategias para incidentes involucrando tiroteos, pistoleros activos, o rescatar a un oficial. aunque el alguacil de sacramento explica que este tipo de entrenamiento lo han realizado en los ultimos 4 aÑos, ahora han hecho un pacto con el departamento de bomberos ya que ellos dicen no solo responden a incendios. shawn daly capitan de metro fire el capitan shawn daly recalca que metro fire es una dependencia contra todo riesgo que responde a todo tipo de emergencia pero desafortundamen te en el ultimo aÑo han tendio que responder a mas incidentes donde hay franco tiradores o tiroteos intencionales. lo cual asegura estan preparados para lo enfrentarlos. es importante que los bomberos entren con nosotros porque las personas que estan lastimados ocupan ayuda. susanna gonzalez susannagonzaleztv solo nos permitieron grabar algunos minutos de su entrenamiento ya que dicen ellos que el mostrar sus tacticas de seguridad los podria poner en riesgo en una situacion real. pero lo que si nos

i'm shaun ley.n's prime minister still in charge of catalonia and is britain's prime minister still in charge even of her own party? and will the mass shootings in las vegas dent americans‘ confidence in the right to bear arms? joining me today are alex deane, london correspondent of madrid's la razon. celia maza de pablo, and the belgian writer and broadcaster. marc roche of le point. and the american writer and broadcaster, jef mcallister, former london bureau chief of time magazine. a warm welcome to you all. it is good to have you here and it will be a busy programme. the "f" from the conservative party conference stage set, which fell down during theresa may's leader's speech, seemed horribly prescient in a week which ended with calls for her to quit. by contrast, the annual meetings of party activists and corporate sponsors for the labour and liberal democrat opposition parties passed without much controversy. alex, things had seemed to have settled down for theresa may a little bit in the run

shaun murphy is different. >> it looks normal to me. >> it's not normal.ormity in the right atrium. >> reporter: but in another sense he's exactly like so many others --- compelled to pursue a career in medicine by the pain of searing personal tragedies. >> the day that the rain smelled like ice cream, my bunny went to heaven. >> reporter: first, the loss of his beloved pet. then, his beloved brother. >> the day that the copper pipes in the old building smelled like burnt food, my brother went to heaven. neither one had the chance to become an adult, and i want to make that possible for other people. >> reporter: the way murphy reveals his motivation is dramatic, but channeling personal tragedy into professional choice is, in fact, not all that unusual. >> my inspiration to become a physician assistant is actually my brother, jesse peetz. in 2005, he was stricken with viral meningitis. >> so when i was 13 years old, i was at a family event where my cousin's husband suddenly collapsed in front of us, in the living room. >> my father was diagnosed with late-

i'm shaun ley.dent donald trump denounces iran, but leaves it to congress to decide the future of the nuclear deal. theresa may tells the eu's brexit negotiators the ball‘s in your court — only to see it bounce back again. and will the spanish government or the catalans blink first? to discuss those three examples of what you might call buck passing, celia matha de pablo of la razon newspaper in spain, agnes poirier of the french magazine marianne, the columnist yasmin alibhai—brown and broadcaster michael goldfarb. welcome to you all. thank you for being with us again. michael, let me start with you on the question of iran. why the hostile to this nuclear deal, after all the years of negotiation, the apparent achievement and what prospect congress will follow the lead donald trump set? let us unpack that. there's always been resistance, particularly on the republican side, and there is the added level of the trump thing of wanting to undo the obama presidency. in the old days in the soviet union, s

this is bbc news with shaun ley.idnapped with his wife and held for nearly five years by the taliban has been talking of their ordeal, including the murder of their baby daughter. movie mogul harvey weinstein could be thrown out of the academy that awards the oscars after multiple accusations of sexual assault — the board is holding crisis talks this evening. tougher sentences for attackers who maim their victims with acid, including prison sentences of at least six months for repeat offenders, under new government proposals. and batten down the hatches say the forecasters, as storm ophelia heads for the uk — bringing torrential rain and winds of up to 80 miles an hour. thank you very much for your company this afternoon. all the latest news at seven o'clock. but from me, thank you and goodbye. time to cross to the bbc sport centre now for sportsday. good afternoon. hello and welcome to sportsday, with me, olly foster, and holly hamilton. hello there, these are our headlines this evening: a masterclass from mancheste

shaun, how are you doing right now? >> i'm holding up all right. a little rattled and shaken. kind of feel a bit surreal, like a bad dream. >> brian, i know you shared some pictures of you and adrian in the final moments when you both looked so overjoyed, frankly, in the last few minutes. >> yeah, i have never seen him that happy. >> never seen him that happy. when did you realize that he had been hit? >> well, the first burst hit, and then when we heard the first burst, then it kind of went right behind us, sounded like fireworks. we were kind of laughing about it at that. you know, and then right when we went to take that picture, he -- we heard it again. he looked back, and it went through his neck. and we didn't know what was going on yet. but he fell backwards. and yeah, i went down. the people he fell into thought he was just drunk. and i was like, no, a big gash out of his neck. >> i know that at first you started to run like everyone. you thought he was running too. >> i didn't run until he was dead. >> when you -- you took him in your arms

as shaun and margaret struggle on, the minister pushing through universal credit acknowledged the benefitreating what he called some hard cases. good morning, david and neil. david gauke refused to pause the rollout, however, although he did concede to one labour demand. calls to the universal credit helpline, which can cost up to 55p a minute, will be made free. given the recent attention, and concern that this could place a burden on claimants, i have decided that this will change to a free phone number over the next month. the speaker: jeremy corbyn. that wasn't enough for labour, however, who went on the attack again. the fundamental problems of universal credit remain — the six week wait, rising indebtedness, rent arrears, and evictions. will the prime minister now pause universal credit, and fix the problems? it is a system that is working, because more people are getting into work. and pausing universal credit won't help those people, who will be helped by going to universal credit, getting into the workplace, and bringing home more pay for their families. all parties agree with th

course got people from all over the world talking on twitter one being american civil rights activists shaun king who plays it lee was surprised to see had to take a neat he did call the bonus league of the german premier league but we can forgive him for that and have to fan michael was proud of his side being europe's first team and the were world's first footballing side to join this cause the match to a conversation continues with the focus of course went ahead i'll start with you this time ya nick were you surprised to see this display considering there are no americans in the starting eleven was a surprise to say it came just before kickoff and as you said no american players in the starting eleven and a man has a bill and don't have any connection to the n.f.l. and they done have a connection to what is going on in america at the moment with the black last night of movement so that said i mean at first viewing it was a very a really nice gesture a show of unity against racism and discrimination but at the same time it was a little bit a bit bizarre to say from a german football team b

i'm shaun ley. mi5 says the uk is facing intense pressure from terrorism. more plots are emerging at a faster pace. inflation has reached 3%, its highest level in more than five years, largely due to rising food and transport prices. us—backed militia in syria say they've taken control of raqqa after months of fighting with islamic state militants. lincoln in the bardo. george saunders wins this year's man booker prize for his novel lincoln in the bardo, becoming the second us author to take home the £50,000 fiction award.

these girls were just screaming and crying, just covered in blood shaun hoff: " "it would not stop. it just kept going, and going, and going. that was the scariest thing - is like, i thought, 'this has to stop at any minute. this is a bad situation, but at least it's going to be over soon.' and it just wouldn't end. i think they said the shooting went on for five minutes. it felt like it was like 30 minutes. it was nuts.">(steve) there are many more there are (steve) there are many more stories of survival -- you can hear more from those who escaped at kron-4 dot com (catherine) there were emotional embraces at bay area airports today. as family members reunited with loved ones returning from las vegas. people - absolutely shocked and distraught over what they had seen... kron 4's justine waldman caught up with some of them as they arrived at oakland airport.that's where she is live for this part of our team coverage. justine? justine: i could tell the people coming from there, because they looked exhausted, frightened. some still crying as they got off the plane.pkg the hugs, just

i'm shaun ley. the headlines at 11:00pm: the head of mi5 says the uk is facing intense pressure from terrorism. more plots are emerging at a faster pace. inflation has reached 3%, its highest level in more than five years, largely due to rising food and transport prices. us—backed militia in syria say they've taken control of raqqa after months of fighting with islamic state militants. lincoln in the bardo. george saunders wins this year's man booker prize for his novel lincoln in the bardo, becoming the second us author to take home the £50,000 fiction award. anton newsnight we look at the debate raging in universities across the country about free speech — some stu d e nts the country about free speech — some students are keen to stop offensive views expressed on campus while others say people are offended fata easily. we will hear both sides of the argument. —— far too easily. good evening and welcome to bbc news. britain faces the highest rate of terror attacks in the last 30 years, with some pl

50 enterprise customers with 2,000 units preordered but for that to lap his team will to get past shaun arora and intense training at make in la. >> i'm the instigator. i push them to learn and grow quickly. i make them question everything that they thought they knew about the product forcing them to look at it from very high. it is like h a lot of people. they come weekly and share war stories and that helps a lot of entrepreneurs avoid mistakes. soledad: carmen and shawn get a thrill finding and pushing them. >> i overlook the stuff that other investors, are they a woman, minority, a stutter. whatever causes an investor to pass we look beyond it. we are not looking for a represently of today's great you successes. >> if i'm successful i create jobs, i create new ways to see the world. i create opportunities for people in my community. soledad: so the pressure is on. >> the pressure is on. soledad: still ahead on "matter of fact" the next big step for the internet who says it has to >> we can't just focus on the coast. we have to focus on innovation across the country. soledad: can mid

shaun hamilton.enn state wins 45rks-14. >>> how about here in south filly geoff collins looking for the first ever win over houston. temple came to play. here's the physicality. the owls are traveling. temple would keep houston from extending their lead before the half and four seconds left, owls down seven, looking for a miracle finish, a hail mary off the arm of logan marchi. they fall, 2-3. >>> the season wraps up this afternoon. last night the final night game at citizens bank park. top of the sixth, travis d'arnaud. a laser to home plate. juan legarrette is trying to score, rat-a-tat-tat. look at this. a wicked shot to the head. he'd have to leave the game. and then we went to extras. so reese hopkins trying to end it in the bottom of the tenth. this one's gone, right? not. it stays in the yard. a long flyout. teammates can't believe it. they thought they had it. this one, though, definitely gone asdrubal cabrera. that's it for sports. >>> 5:57. breaking overnight, o.j. simpson is a free man. we

. >> let's welcome shaun henry. pz your sense of this, it looks like one of these suicidal attempts, he had two weapons with the intention of drawing fire, he had no plan, he plowed into a school bus. a lot of these crimes is like a guy that's reached a dead end. >> we have seen dozens of these types of attacks, low level, not a lot of resources required. not a lot of time to create a maximum impact and fear and uncertainty in the community and devastation. so it appears to be that at this point, but as many of the other analysts have described, this is way too early, there will be a lot of investigation. you've got the fbi now, in at least five separate locations doing interviews, in coordination with the new york city police and other law enforcement agencies, they're in new york, in new jersey and ohio and florida. they're certainly over in uzbekistan, if this man traveled from that country into the u.s. one thing to remember, i think, is there's two simultaneous events going on. you've got the people at the scen

the warriors are coming off an exciting win but will be without shaun livingston. the game tips off at 7:30 pm. >>> the raiders have a tough game on the road this sunday. they will go across the country to play the buffalo bills. this game starts at 10:00 pacific time. the raiders are feeling better about themselves after beating the division leading kansas city chiefs last thursday on that last play of the game. the resurging buffalo bills are 4-2. they are a three-point favorite to beat the raiders. >>> the 49ers will need to travel across the country for an early game sunday morning against the philadelphia eagles. the winless 49ers are looking for their first win of the season. oddsmakers aren't giving them much of a chance. the 49ers were thumped by the cowboys last week, 40-10. the 49ers are a 13 point underdog to the eagles. one interesting note. the eagles are in need of a left tackle. there's been talk they may be interested in a long time 49ers tackle, joe sally. you can watch the action here on ktvu fox 2. the game against the eagles starts at 10 am. >>>

hello — this is bbc news, with me, shaun ley. the foreign secretary has told fellow mps in a whatsapp group that they need to get behind theresa may and turn the fire onjeremy corbyn. us authorities have imposed more heavy tariffs on the import of bombardier planes, causing more concerns for one of northern ireland's biggest employers. rallies are expected in spain against catalonian independence, after last weekend's disputed referendum. back with more at the top of the hour. now on bbc news — the travel show. i'm on a voyage through the heart of the balkans, exploring the places that have grown up along the route of the river sava. it's a journey through four countries that just over 25 years ago were at war. my trip started at the source in slovenia, and continued through to the wetlands of croatia. watch out! this week, i'll be following the river to bosnia and herzegovina, and then east into serbia. and meeting those who live along the river banks who want to move on from the conflicts of the ‘90s, and show us what their par

hello, this is bbc news with shaun ley. the headlines at 1:30pm. spain's prime minister mariano rajoy has confirmed that the national government will take control of the previously autonomous region of catalonia. explosives experts have been called to the sellafield nuclear plant in cumbria and a partial cordon is in place. speed limits for motorway roadworks could be raised in england under plans aimed at reducing congestion. parts of the uk are preparing for the arrival of storm brian with winds of up to 70 miles per hour. cornwall is one of the first areas to feel the impact. now on bbc news, a weather world special. from florida and the bbc weather centre, the team examines why this year's atlantic hurricane season has been so active. this time on weather world, i'm in florida in the united states where the power of hurricane irma has had devastating consequences. and we will be speaking to scientists about cyclones here in the centre. we will be looking at the season's other major hurricanes, including harvey and maria. plus the science behind

i'm shaun ley. the headlines at 4.inst catalonia's unilateral declaration of independence. the international trade minister, mark garnier, faces an investigation after he admitted asking his then secretary to buy sex toys. heathrow airport says it's investigating how details —— heathrow airport says it is confident that it remains safe after security information was found in the street. parents will no longer be able to use a legal loophole to avoid paying child maintenance, under new laws to be brought in within months. lewis hamilton needs only a fifth—place finish in the mexican grand prix to be crowned world champion. and in half here on bbc news, witness speaks to the cia operative, who tracked down che guevara in 1967, just before he was killed.

bra shaun breland. gruden saying it's just a sprain and breland is a quick healer. the redskins get back to work on thursday. and on wednesday the wizards look to win their first season opener under head coach scott brooks. they too face a philly team. the 76ers and wizards start a new season at capital one arena. and the capitals back on the ice against the maple leafs tomorrow. this will be the first meeting between the two since the playoffs last another big week from nicklas backstrom. today the nhl naming backstrom their third star of the week. and what a week it was for backy. three goals and six assists in four games for backstrom who now has 11 points to start the season. backstrom hoping to lead the caps to a big win tomorrow night. puck drops at 7:00 over on nbc sports washington. >>> but back to the redskins today, at the park the tenth annual all-star survivors celebration. the team honoring breast cancer survivors with a day of pampering. the event put on by tanya snyder, wife of owner dan snyder and the redskins charitable foundation, takes place every

hello, this is bbc news with shaun ley, the headlines at 10:32am.he spanish government is holding a cabinet meeting to begin imposing central control over the region of catalonia. experts have been called to deal with a chemical incident at the sellafield nuclear site in cumbria — after a number of buildings were evacuated last night. speed limits for motorway roadworks could be raised in england under plans aimed at reducing congestion. parts of the uk are preparing for the arrival of storm brian with winds of up to 70 miles per hour. cornwall is one of the first areas to feel the impact. now on bbc news, it's time for the travel show. coming up on this week's programme — i head to the scottish orkney islands to help uncover their neolithic past. it's about 5,000 years old, the like of which have never really been seen before. here we go, guys. yeah? go, go, go, go, go, go! we take off in macedonia in search of new thrills. and ade takes a look at what's been trending in travel online, including a tweet that's been beamed into outer space. william

bruno andrada scored twice and shaun jeffers put away a cracking goal.m the english football league enter the first round draw. go to the bbc sport website for all the day's results. in the scottish premiership, celtic remain on top — but only on goal difference. they beat dundee 1—0 — olivier cham with the goal. aberdeen's win at hibernian means they keep up the pressure — sitting level on points with the champions. there were also wins for motherwell and hearts — and kilmarnock had their first win of the season. and watching from the stands was their new manager steve clarke, the former west brom and reading boss. he was named this morning and will take over on monday. and ten man hearts picked up only their third win of the season. it was owen cole's first match in charge of county. and the bbc sport website is the place to go for news on all today's matches in the second round of the scottish cup. england's under—17s have topped their group at the world cup, after a 4—0 win against iraq in kolkata. manchester united's angel gomes scored the opening g

i'm shaun ley. seventy years ago, leader mustafa barzani made a declaration of kurdish independence which was ignored. last month, his son masoud won a referendum in iraq, intended to achieve it. however baghdad says it will impose its rule instead. if the kurds are to succeed, masrour, grandson of one barzani, son of the other, will need all the clout he's acquired waging war on the group that calls itself islamic state. he believes that has earned kurds the right to a state of their own. but with iraq, iran, turkey, syria and much of the world against them, could this referendum end up delivering the kurds even less than the autonomy that they enjoy now? masrour barzani, in erbil, in iraqi kurdistan, thank you for being here. how has this referendum made things better for the kurds? as you know, we have been having problems with baghdad all along and we have tried every other means to make sure resolve problems peacefully but u nfortu nately resolve problems peacefully but unfortunately the iraqi

this is bbc news, i'm shaun ley, the headlines at midday.rnment should think about borrowing more to invest in housing. we can sensibly borrow more to invest in the infrastructure. that leads to more housing and takes advantage of some of the record low interest rates that we have. the i think we should be considering that. ministers consider ways to make buying and selling houses faster, cheaper and less stressful. labour's brexit spokesperson says the party will back conservative rebels to force changes to the repeal bill. spain's foreign minister dismisses claims his government is carrying out a coup by stripping the catalan government of its powers. also in the next hour, lewis hamilton could win his fourth world title at today's united states grand prix. hamilton will clinch the title if he wins the race and rival sebastian vettel finishes lower than fifth.

hello, this is bbc news with shaun ley. the headlines at 1:30pm. national government will take control of the previously autonomous region of catalonia. explosives experts have been called to the sellafield nuclear plant

the world in the future the move has also attracted attention in the us black lives matter activists shaunking tweeted wow the players from head to berlin took in the in solidarity with american athletes protesting injustice but it was not all praise some call the action a p r stunt the team and trainers should focus on sport not politics taking and he is very it's a very complex subject. yes complex and emotional that really is a presence here from our sports desk i mean one of the first things first we were talking about this earlier i would venture that a lot of people on both sides of the atlantic when they even talk about this they don't even know exactly what they're talking about because in the u.s. if this story is a lot longer then just right of the orders the tweets of donald trump yeah of course you know in terms of what they did it just says that hanson berlin is listening and i think it speaks volumes that as you mentioned this is happening across the pond and they still can relate and they show their support because we all know that the world of football be high fever has had

i'm shaun ley.ister still in charge even of her own party? and will the mass shootings in las vegas and americans rights to bear arms? my guests this week are alex deane, the political commentator, the belgian writer and broadcaster, marc roche of le point, london correspondent of madrid's la razon, celia maza de pablo, and the american writer and broadcaster, jef mcallister, former london bureau chief of time magazine. welcome to you all. it is good to have you here and it will be a busy programme. the "f" off the conservative party conference stage set, which fell down during theresa may's leader's speech, seemed horribly prescient in a week which ended with calls for her to quit. by contrast, the annual meetings of party activists and corporate sponsors for the labour and liberal democrat opposition parties passed without much controversy. alex, things had seemed to have settled down for theresa may a little bit in the run—up to conference, seeming that she was going to stay until at least brexit

i‘m shaun ley.even of her own party? and will the mass shootings in las vegas dent americans‘ confidence in the right to bear arms? joining me today are alex deane, london correspondent of madrid‘s la razon. celia maza de pablo, and the belgian writer and broadcaster. marc roche of le point. and the american writer and broadcaster, jef mcallister,

poem about colonialism in the now independent state where a political activist george bought a think shaun's and latest comment shows contempt for the libyans who died in the conflict it just seems to me extraordinary that especially in the context of a place where britain clearly has blood on its hands in terms of yet another attempt to regime change that ended in bloodshed. to be able to make what was meant to be a joke i mean this was this was a punchline in an optimistic speech about about libya the very fact that what he's talking about is british businesses come in and turnings into dubai itself has huge huge questions in terms of what many people call disaster capitalism whether the powers that be in the world are better and better exploiting catastrophe to come in with foreign money and take over beaches and all sorts of other things you know but leaving that aside it just seems. to me it's incredible that he can have such sort of callous disregard for other human lives i mean it would be unthinkable if boris johnson had referred. you know this is the scene of the bombing in manchest

leaguesteph curry gets his 2nd in three years as did draymond green, klay thompson anndre iguodala and shaun ceremony was without any fireworks in respect to the victims of the north bay firesthe championship flag is unvieled next to the ones for 2014-15 and 1974-75(wipe to celtics-cavs) lebron james taking on his former teammate kyrie irving now with the celtics1st quarter gordon hayward goes for the ally-opp is challenged by james comes down akwardly and snas his ankle players stunned by the brutal injury hayward immobilized and carted off itinial pronosis is a dislocated ankle and broken tibia his season certainly already over4th quarterjames spin move in the lane and scores 99-98 cavs(james: 29 points, 16 rebounds, 9 assists) final seconds cavs up 3 irving has a shot to send it to overtime but his 3-pointer is short(irving: 22 points, 10 assists)final: 102-99 cavaliers alcs game 4 in the bronx alcs game 4 in the bronxjoe girardi his yankees down 2 games to 1 to the astros bottom 7th/ 4-0 astros...aaron judge with a hige blast to straight-away center solo home run his 2nd in 2 games 4-1 a

i'm shaun ley.december, south africa's ruling party the anc chooses a successor for president jacob zuma. corruption allegations denied by the president continued to swirl, but he has survived them all. albie sachs is another survivor, but one of a different kind. he survived imprisonment, exile, and being blown up by the country's security forces, and he helped write the posta pa rtheid constitution. he thinks it is one of the world's best — so why do others, especially the young, say that the constitution is against us, especially if you're poor? albie sachs, welcome to hardtalk. you defended black south africans under apartheid laws. you were imprisoned under those laws yourself. you then helped write the most fundamental law of all, the constitution for postapartheid south africa, and then sat on the constitutional court to enforce that constitution. is there enough respect, do you think, for the law in south africa today? it is so fascinating to watch, because the law is playing a central role

she's been speaking to my colleague shaun ley. it's obviously completely unacceptable. michael gove, he did apologise immediately, i think he understood that it was a ridiculous thing to say. but at the same time, listening to the clip was illuminating, because a lot of people joined in on it. nick robinson retweeted it, neil kinnock extended the joke and a lot of people were laughing, some of that might have been shocked laughter. at the same time it does demonstrate that people stilljoke about sexual assault and rape and there is absolutely nothing funny about it. one of the things that struck me, we seem to be in a situation when talking about harassment, on the one hand we will use the strongest possible language about it and yet on the other hand we will make light of it and almost in the same, not quite the same breath, but in a short space of time. why do we struggle, do you think, to talk about these things in a rationale way? i think it's embedded deep in our culture that men get away with an awful lot of things, just because oh, you know, they didn't mean any