carl lentz, pastor of hillsong of new york city. his congregation loves him. >> we thank you for what you're going to do in jesus' name. amen. >> but music and production would make a rock band blush, the church draws thousands to multiple services every sunday. >> i've heard it described as the hipster church. you have to have ripped jeans to come here. >> it is come as you are. that god will never leave you like that. >> but don't let the big city swagger mislead you. hillsong is old school, part of the church base in the sydney, australia with campuses across the world. >> there is a hip modern day spirit to it. but this is a church that has taken a position on homosexuality, on positions that seem like a new modern hip environment. >> i think we're the most overrated hip church ever. like we don't believe the bib has ever needed a remix. we don't believe it needed an update. we don't believe we can change what god has always said. people ask us, are you going to evolve in your views? jesus has always said who he says he is. the