>> director: dr. ramos. >> thank you madam chair and for your report. director gordon i understand our policy is we as fare-paying customers need to be sure we have a proof of payment. if you're card isn't tagging, it's your responsibility to make sure that maybe you go to a different much. what i've noticed is often times a machine will be broken on one end of the car and you as a fare-paying customer should probably find another machine to tag it to demonstrate proof of payment. from about what i understand the proof of payment policy has demonstrated reduced and fare evasion and we're winning in terms of saving time and saving money and it's going to require cooperation and with respect to the presentation, i thought it was interesting you went after cash-paying customers versus those playing with clipper. i'm wondering if there's a way we may be able to check on what your response rates were to that question and what we actually get like in our books and test the accuracy of either one. >> yeah, there would be. i know there are other studies done on

ramos. >> thank you for presenting, dr. davis and for your great work. it's nice to see a fellow san francisco state alum at the helm a ship. i really wanted to make sure we were build ong the -- building on the lessons from our peers and give credit to where credit's due and the city of oakland and there's a place of equity and a woman is providing training for staff and depending on the point is what indicator you want to have. what i'm getting from this is that if we start out and are intentional about equity from the very beginning and think about what is an equitable outcome going to look like from the beginning and make sure we have indicators in place to get us to the metric we're shooting for we'll be on the right track. i think it's important to start every project from that perspective and think about what is a successful equitable outcome look like. and not just according to us, but according to people impacted by the decisions we make. i appreciate the model and i'll look forward to more of this kind of thing. i have to admit i was deeply imp