. >> the clerk: herbert wiener the only person to submit a speaker card on this matter. >> herbert wiener. one question that wasn't really examined is ridership down. the riders were questioned but what about the general ridership? and why is ridership down? it was tangentially touched on because people were taking alternative means of transportation. other people are simply getting in their cars. and what about those who are 65 and over? why are they displeased with muni? and what about asking aspects of walking a longer distance? do they feel it's detrimental to their health? how many are on oxygen? how many are on arthritis? how many have serious diseases? this has never really been asked. and sometimes with lower income this is the only transportation they can have. so are they satisfied with it or not? now, one group that hasn't been asked have been the drivers. i would like to see the muni drivers be surveyed for their satisfaction. this hasn't been done. i think they constitute the conscience of the muni. so you should ask input from the driver. so as far as saying that public serv

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