bernie signed an identity jfa, they just didn't use it.ere are a lot of democrats who believed that at the top people like debby wasserman schultz were clinton supports a supporters and wanted her to win. the jfa itself, i think that agreement is in and of itself pretty boilerplate. they did it in 2012, bernie did it in 2016. >> why does donna brazile say -- >> i think this is exactly why there are a lot of people raising questions about the conclusion that donna came to. i think the facts out there, you know, it's sort of weird that they would agree to do this whit the jfa, by the way, this separate agreement. i don't see any clear evidence that that separate agreement led to tipping the election. it's just not there. >> and i think we have to separate things. so you had the process and what was taking place underneath the roof of the dnc, and that's one thing. but you've got primaries and caucus in 50 states, and our election rules provide that those primaries and caucus are largely run on a state by state by state basis. and there's no

that's how the jfa benefitted her.was unethical, but no way did dnc i find that hard to believe. if they're coordinate winning fundraising, that is the a finger on the scale. >> this is actually the document. it gives hillary clinton the right to participate in the naming of the director of communications for the dnc. can anyone here at this table name anyone in history who's been the director of communications for the dnc? this is a minor job, an unimportant person, and the fact that she got a voice, not even the chance to name them, but it's so minor. what advantage does she get? >> the jfa is not in and of itself an unethical agreement. bernie signed an identical jfa, they just didn't use it. so they had no financial leverage over the institution. i also think there are a lot of democrats who believed that at the top people like debbie wasserman schultz were clinton supporters and wanted her to win. the jfa itself, i think that agreement is in and of itself pretty boilerplate. they did it in 2012, bernie did it in 2

didn't all three democratic candidates sign jfas. kick in and bernie had one, too, and o'malley had one, too, then how was that even unfair to bernie sanders? >> first of all, it was unfair to have a memorandum of understanding, this was an addendum to the joint fundraising agreement. this addendum to the joint fundraising agreement gave them control over three departments. i found more evidence even with those three departments. research, checks, coms and fundraising. they found no evidence in the primary process. having your research starting in late fall of 2015, i know they were focused on republicans. i found evidence that they were focused on bernie sanders. the evidence i did find i brought it to light, including my own dnc e-mails. i mean, look, i had a dnc account, too, that was hacked. >> evidence of what? i think the question is -- and i have talked to some former clinton staffers who their expression is essentially, look, this was a joint project together to elect hillary clinton and they are expecting that, you know, it'

secondly, senator sanders and secretary clinton's campaign signed the same jfa. secretary clinton chose to raise money as part of that agreement, senator sanders did not, which is completely fine. >> the sanders campaign says they would not have been able to raise the amount of money hillary clinton was able to raise because of her relationship with those big spenders so the jaf wasn't going to benefit them and the party in the way hillary clinton would be able to do that. >> that's his own prerogative but i will say secretary clinton wanted to see a strong democratic party in place. she wanted to utilize her donors to raise money for the party because we had a strong party going into the general election. unfortunately, we did not win but we had a strong party in place. >> i understand if she wanted to have a strong party in place. i think that's perfectly reasonable desire. what donna brazile is claiming is not only did she want a strong party in place, but in return for that, that she was going to be in charge of everything, in charge of communications, of how

that bernie sanders campaign was offered to be a part of the jfa.nse to that, joint fund raising agreement. >> it's unfortunate they tried to go down this road rather than move forward. we entered into the joint fundraiser agreement to get access to the democratic party's voter file. we told the dnc very clearly that he was running a campaign that was focused on breaking of the corrupt ns campaign finance system and break the hold of big money on our politics. we did not have bundlers and big money people. we were not going to do that kind of politics. but we were glad to sign the joint fund raising agreement and attend events if they were established. dnc never built any of those events so we couldn't participate. bernie sanders raised over $5 million for democratic candidates up and down the ballot throughout the year. it's erroneous to say bernie sanders did not step up and big time help the democratic party win elections in 2016 on the fund raising front and using his own voice. >> i was talking to adrien on the 1:00 hour about this. i want to g