for decades in fact is that the the underlying narrative is the deal between jarrett kirschner and m.b.'s personally that trump has kept his hands off in this whole matter and please explain crucial could be bailed out in these difficulties in u.s. visa v. . the food was six six six fifth avenue property in manhattan so this is personal to use this involves a new foreign policy that is very complex and anti-god especially untag and izing iran and lebanon which is the second part of our discussion the big question is what's going to alan was going to happen next do you think that that declining war between the royals could escalate after the crown prince is actions and if so how. it is a skeleton absolutely it has already escalated because in the middle of all this melee when we have the jail at the riyadh ritz carlton. lebanese prime minister saad gooing own saudi television reading a declaration written by the saudis and the abdicating from his post of prime minister in lebanon which is completely absurd and the president of live in a show and said no we don't buy that we tried to int

congressman roe conn a and he said saudi crown prince mohammed bin psalm on m.b.'s as he's known strikes him as not smart and not prudent and could be taking actions that could cause a war in the region we've already seen him fail to kind of bring qatar to heel failed to win the war in yemen why do we think that a confrontation with iran or lebanon would be anything other than a failure on his part. well i think that foreign policy has actually been very consistent i think that it had to hear very closely to the laws norms and conventions of international relations at the same time i think that. it is more than a. national. thing much closer. to iran this is the main sponsor of terrorism in the region and in the world as well as at some of its many region with ease and others. to hold just and hold them accountable just before we married if we will get to iran and i want to talk about iran and saudi and on and the issues you raise and just to stick with whilst about in terms of recent events and m.b.'s the crown prince has begun are you saying that him rounding up

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about a new policy towards iran what does that mean you know i mean what they cannot in in m.b.'s his wildest dreams he cannot possibly imagine a military campaign against iran or hezbollah in lebanon can only be that mad yeah well no no no he's not mad he just get the americans and the israelis to do it and that's what really worries me ok. let me go to you i mean that's not going to work i agree ok martin when has it worked recently ok and that's the whole point i want to go with joe here in washington you know ok let's look at iraq ok iraq after the illegal invasion and occupation two thousand and three it falls into iran's fear of influence ok now you have this proxy war in syria who comes out the winner iran ok the blog goes in and fights isis they carry water for the iranians ok they win again now why in the world would anyone the crown of of the saudi royal family thinking they're going to throw the dice one more time i mean every it's could mistake mistake mistake mistake one after another oh sorry i forgot yemen go ahead joe. i believe the. i mean never have a plan to co

mohamad been on the crown prince or we often call him m.b.' is in a dangerous position for himself because at home he's he's taken on the purging of the religious establishment and the royal family and.

mohamed bin some on the crown prince or we often call him m.b.'s is in a dangerous position for himself because at home he's he's taken on the purging of the religious establishment and the royal family and even the business establishment at the same time as he has. rockets and mortars coming in from yemen a war that he initiated. and neighboring states and many conflicts around him in the region most of which saudi arabia has had a hand in so you're right to criticize hezbollah for enter ference an arab affairs. it is a mockery because there is no country more aggressively pursuing interventions in regional states and neighboring states than saudi arabia and we should point to the arab league meeting on sunday which we have to do for. sure yeah but at the same time hezbollah is a political party and has been elected by the people of lebanon i think that it's an important distinction as well it is and it's not for the set it's not over the top not for the saudis were not to me there's no doubt about me show that i'm ok i have to let me let me i ha

just how many of them are princes their cousins of crown prince mohammed bin salma on widely known as m.b.'s. prince al waleed bin talal is arguably the most well known he's the richest man in the arab world and has big stock holdings in companies like apple and twitter since the arrests of tweets has surfaced from resurfaced rather from donald trump where the president described it as a quote dopey prince will lead later fired back asking if trump needed another bailout loan supporters say all one needs arrest proves the president right but critics argue that it shows trump's undue influence in the kingdom prince me to have been was also arrested he was the minister of the saudi national guard and has rubbed shoulders with many important leaders such as french president francois hollande here the former president many are also talking about how far has fallen he was once considered a contender for the saudi throne also arrested from within the saudi defense establishment of the all souls on the commander of the navy many believe that saturday's arrests will further consolidate mohammed b

prize to a saudi prince for combating terrorism to muhammad bin nayef which was a clear message to m.b.'s to have been sentiments that you should stop where you're at because we want hamad bin nayef only when trump went to the of and saw the glamour and the gold and said you know what guys you guys aren't so bad but i must be the problem iran must be the problem he went back clashed with james madison clashed with the pentagon and one of inside man realized this was the best opportunity to become crown prince on earth macchiavelli unmatched best esque kind of politics one of the cement is playing a very shrewd very competent game think about this is that the political situation as it stands now in saudi arabia who stands in his way mr been abdullah's a national guard is arrested well he'd been followed who gambled on hillary clinton and lost has now been arrested nobody else stands in his name hamad bin nayef has surrendered the interior ministry and is gone now to receive treatment for his illnesses nobody stands in mohamed bin said man's way anymore he's all that's left is for his fa

iraq or libya i mean i could go on about it would you agree with that analysis that had been summoned m.b.'s this is known in the region as perhaps underestimated what could be achieved overestimated rather what could be achieved in lebanon in terms of destabilizing it or indeed. undermining hezbollah it's obviously counterfire it's the whole initiative that they took to destabilize lebanon or the threat that we heard in the past months or that skill ation turn against the sudanese because to learn in lebanon almost we have unifying position we want our prime minister back we want the security of the country you want the country to be a prosper and so. if the statements that coming from studio it's aimed to destabilize the politics of lebanon it's actually they want to destabilize the economy of lebanon they have been hasn't worked for the sooty is ours actually quantrill counterproductive and it's like somebody is shooting himself in the foot this is a speak of the use and experience that exist in sudhir arabia and some of the muscles that they think they can actually put a lot of pressu

they have been back on the streets since june but are reportedly less vigorous about their chastising m.b.'s also allowed agenda make celebration of saudi national day in september despite a backlash from religious clerics and two weeks ago said saudi arabia must return to a quote moderate balanced islam that is open to the world and to all religions let's bring in our guests joining us in beirut joseph kitchin a middle east analyst and senior fellow at the king faisal center for research and islamic studies in london and his critic as a professor at the defense studies department at king's college london and also in beirut nicholas editor in chief of mideast wire dot com good to see all three of you joseph kitchen let me start off with you a staggering couple of days have passed i'm just wondering what we are. in the middle of witnessing what's happened we are witnessing tremendous changes in the system of government of saudi arabia we have a new leadership that has been in place for about two years now but obviously a consolidation of power on the part of the heir apparent been sent a m

saudi and on and the issues you raise and just to stick with whilst about in terms of recent events and m.b.'s the crown prince has begun are you saying that him rounding up eleven princes and putting them under detention at the ritz carlton him threatening lebanon possibly with war iran possibly with war hold taking eight hundred billion dollars apparently from corrupt saudi citizens that's just a such if that's what you would call it nothing more than that it's not a big deal i mean i think that the saudi leadership the king said man and crown prince mohammed has charted a very clear course of action for his future i think that vision twenty thirty that has been added line is a broad back of economic and social reforms that seeks to transform the saudi economy and wean it off of the pendants of oil revenues seeks to do that by reducing the public sector and providing the private sector with the tools to succeed and become the right of the economy. rami how big a deal in your view some of the domestic developments in saudi arabia over the last couple of weeks while i think there are enormo

is a widely seen as consolidating the power of the crown prince mohammed bin solomon also known as m.b.'s been solomon was elevated to his position just four months ago displacing an older cousin the same reports now on the sweeping changes and their implications. call it a surprise saturday night shake up saudi state t.v. reported that eleven princes three current and dozens of former ministers have been detained as part of an inch i corruption probe only hours after the formation of an investigative committee was announced it's difficult to relate this to corruption since they didn't have enough time to make a prosecution or to make investigations about that if there was something or some information collected previously why did the and with. the case by case in different people as before about the not doing this overnight all these people together which is rather spacious. the saudi cabinet overhaul is viewed as a power play by king solomon analysts say it's designed to ensure his son and heir to the throne crown prince mohammed bin solomon consolidates power and does so among their

a widely seen as consolidating the power of the crown prince mohammed bin some money also known as m.b.'s he was elevated to the position just four months ago displacing an older cousin well saudi arabia's king salmon has discussed security and economic issues in a phone call with the u.s. president donald trump they don't appear to have discussed the major cabinet overhaul are going on reports on the implications of the shake up. call it a surprise saturday night shake up saudi state t.v. reported that eleven princes three current and dozens of former ministers have been detained as part of an inch i corrupted probe only hours after the formation of an investigative committee was announced it's difficult to relate this to corruption since they didn't have enough time to make a prosecution to make investigations about them if there was something or some information collected previously widely and with. the case by case in different view this before about the not doing this overnight all these people together which is rather quick or suspicious. the saudi cabinet overhaul is viewed as a

this article but it also goes on to say that prince najaf who was deposed by king solomon and prince m.b.'s or as he's known around here and in this article that his assets were also seized and another interesting tidbit if true is that the big part of the economic push from an b.s. as he's known was to the list some of aramco on either the london or new york stock exchange next year the times is reporting that that is no longer going to happen because of all of this controversy the bigger question though is why is this showing up now from unnamed u.s. sources well oftentimes what we see happen because we know president donald trump has sent his unwavering support to the crown prince's moves now we're seeing unnamed sources from the intelligence community in the u.s. the defense department the state department sending a warning through the new york times saying that they are growing increasingly concerned by these moves the resignation in saudi of the lebanese prime minister was one that we saw officially the state department the white house. say that's probably a no go so this in many w

all right so brief welcoming remarks from mohammed bin solomon m.b.'s who is the crown prince of saudi arabia as i mentioned earlier this is the islamic military counter-terrorism coalition and that's a coalition of more than forty islamic countries that have agreed to form this security arrangement the stated aim is to reduce or to wipe out completely from the face of the earth in fact according to n.b.s. terrorism listening to this with us has been. our correspondent has been monitoring it from beirut and has long much awaited much anticipated. appearance by m.b.a.'s is perhaps the most controversial figure in the middle east at the moment. indeed and he's been the rallying force behind this international islamic coalition against terrorism into a thousand and fifteen and he hopes to bring together muslim nations to try to disrupt the financing of the terrorist groups and also to target them militarily in different parts of the world and also to try to tackle their ideology has said in his brief statement that the biggest problem the muslims face is

settlement in terms of reacting to president mugabe's resignation that was left to president of the m.b. a a good long go to take the lead he said he wanted to see a quick return to a political normalcy for the army to return to its barracks and has about wins to now focus on social cohesion and unity the main opposition party in zambia led by hockey and a hitch lemme he's come out and congratulated the zimbabwean people and say that should be a warning to african leaders that power lines with the people the opposition party the main one here in south africa the democratic alliance have congratulated his own zimbabwean people and said that they wanted to see free and fair in. that was tanya page from johannesburg now robert mugabe's wife grace had positioned herself as his potential successor that was before the events that led to his resignation and named grace expensive taste the fifty two year old had become an unpopular figure in the country made baka has more. rapid rise to prominence has polarized zimbabwean society a former secretary in the presidential typing pool she had an aff