>> has rob goldstone said anything in the past that might give us insight into what he might say to robert mueller? have we heard much from goldstone? >> in the much. he's outside this country, he's outside britain where he's from. he's supposedly in bangkok. and but he's been very quiet. and i think he's probably been advised to be very quiet until the circumstances of his meeting with mueller are fully worked out. >> ken, i understand that you've learned that the special counsel sent a grand jury subpoena to the trump campaign for russia related documents. again, so far, they had been voluntarily complying, if you will. what more's the special counsel looking for? >> well, craig, the issuance of the subpoena suggests that the special counsel is no longer satisfied with the voluntary compliance situation under which the campaign handed over some 20,000 documents according to my source. but apparently it is not enough for mueller. the subpoena's significant raises the stake of noncompliance and criminal penalties to failing to comply with a subpoena and put it is campaign on notice that th

and it's interesting that rob goldstone refers to himself that way. i think in this case, yeah, he was asked to write an e-mail, he embellished on his own to entice the trump campaign to appear. but when you look at it, it was and on oligarch who asked him do it and it gets back to the point we've made before that this was a kremlin-inspired influence operation that goes directly fr from moscow to those who attended the meeting in june 2016. >> so how does that conversation go, the kremlin down to goldstone? is it an actual conversation that comes from someone like putin like get in touch with this guy and make sure that he sets up a meeting? >> the way i would envision this based on my experience of having served five years in moscow and tracked soviet and russian operations is that goldstone would have been considered a cutout and again this was all discoverable, an e-mail that he sent is discoverable, so the kremlin would have asked her father first to try to arrange this. and each of those russians who attended the june 2016 meeting at trump tower

rob goldstein. rib him? goldstone.allegations part of a russian not to to interfere with the election. he says those allegations are ridiculous. but as he issues denials, the top democrat on the senate intelligence committee urging open hearings. he wants donald trump jr. and jared kushner to testify. >> and i think the more transparent we can be is always good, but i also think, you know, we've bot to work through a process. eric: meanwhile, kushner is pushing back saying he's already turned over all the relevant documents. we'll take a look at the new claims. >>> plus, a community remains on edge as authorities continue to search for a possible serial killer when may have claimed a fourth victim. what we're learning about the ongoing investigation straight aheed here on the fox news channel. -- ahead here on the fox news channel. ( ♪ ) i'm 65 and healthy. i'm not at risk. even healthy adults 65 and older are at increased risk of pneumococcal pneumonia. isn't it like a bad cold or flu? pneumococcal pneumonia is a pote

not just on the question of whether there was collusion, but to get rob goldstone in there. if someone has offered false testimony but the pretenses of that meeting, they could be setting themselves up for a perjury charge. >> he's going to go talk. all the people going to talk to mueller's team don't know what he already knows. if they're trying to get their story straight and aren't being honest and forthcoming, the investigators are going to figure it out. a key figure coming forward is hope hicks. this is a person who is really the gatekeeper to donald trump himself was there from the inception of his campaign. still there today and still enjoys a close relationship with him, with jared and ivanka. and most of white house deal with her will give her credit for being a pretty smooth operator or smart person. has learned on the fly. learned how to stay close to and on the good side of donald trump. turned on pretty much everyone else. but she was there at all these pivotal moments and may have knowledge of whether the president knew of these meetings. there are the weekend

mueller wants to know what else rob goldstone can tell him. the nature of the meeting, what was set up. what was being offered? so these are really important witnesses. >> thank you, ken, for that. >>> meantime, in alabama, caleb moore is fiercely defending her embattled husband, who is refusing to back out of the alabama senate race. several women have accused roy moore of sexual assault which they say happened decades ago. good morning, maya. this next special election is about what a few weeks afwa, december 12th. is it moving forward on schedule despite this controversy? >> reporter: yeah, it is moving on schedule, alex. good morning to you, too. we are about 25 days away from that election in december. but there are still questions about the republican nominee, roy moore and his past behavior. that's dividing voters. in a little more than a week, at least nine pim have made allegations against roy moore about inappropriate behavior stretching back decades, ranging from unwanting pursuing of teenagers to sexual assault. moore denies all cl

and that is rob goldstone going to be meeting with the mueller team. you were alluding about mueller's investigation. what do you make of him coming out early and saying much ado about nothing? >> the first thing i note is that robert mueller and his team believe that this meeting was significant between donald trump jr., paul manafort and jared kushner with russian operatives and i would love to see what will goldstone says to mueller. but the fact that they are even interested in talking to him tells me that mueller believes that something happened there. and it's he very clear from the e-mails that donald trump jr. was trying to get dirt on tim kaine from the hillary clinton from the kremlin. >> and there is also the revelation here represented to jared kushner, son-in-law of the president trump, through ean e-mail chain that describes deputy head of russian central bark, allegations of being associated with the mafia there in russia. again, allegations. but the heart of that reporting that came out over this weekend was that there was a request fro

but as you alluded to, rob goldstone was the publicist for ayman aguilara whose father is close with vladimir putin. and goldstone was instrumental in getting trump to move the miss universe pageant to moscow. he was very close at that point and trying to get that pageant there. he was around the earlier discussions between the agholor family and donald trump. there are discussions about setting up a business development in moscow, in a partnership. so, goldstone was around for a lot of this early periods where mueller might be interested in donald trump's connections to moscow before then. in addition to this meeting, you know, a year ago, where goldstone was sort of the go-between, where he could talk about that as well. >> all right, kelly jane and matt vizer, we ran out of time. but appreciate you both very much. thank you. >>> it's been more than a week and president trump has been pretty much silent on the sexual assault allegations. listen to what the accuser is saying. >> it was full-on assault. i mean, he was very, very flirtatious. >>> plus, the white house says there's a bi

rob goldstone, the man who helped set up the meeting between donald trump jr. and a group of russians speaks out. detailing the trump tower meeting that's at the center of the senate probe. we have those details for you. what he said and how soon he might speak with special counsel robert mueller's team. >>> plus, alabama's largest newspaper calls for voters to e reject roy moore just weeks before the special election that could shift power in the senate from moore to al franken now, how the politics of sexual misconduct are playing out on capitol hill. we're going to start for you with those new details between a meeting between donald trump jr. and a group of russians at trump tower in june last year. rob goldstone, who set up and attended that meeting, is speaking up in today's issue of the sunday times magazine. in his interview, he admits he puffed up the language in his e-mail promising dirt on hillary clinton in order to get the meeting. saying this in mart part, quote, if i'm guilty of anything and hate the word guilty, it's hyping the message and going

rob goldstone who came across as a zelig figure in all of this. remind our audience his slice of the story, his role in the story thus far. >> yes, brian. and this is great reporting by our colleague robert windrom who learned that rob goldstone, a music promoter, who was the go-between between the agalarov family in setting up the meeting in 2016. he wrote these e-mails saying, the russian government is helping your father's campaign and this lawyer has information from the crown prosecutor of russia. there actually is no crown prosecutor, but there is a federal prosecutor. those e-mails set in motion this chain of events where we're all scrutinizing this meeting and wondering what was provided and there's been information since then. what rob goldstone may know that very few others know is exactly how this was set up, what was said that we're not seeing in the e-mails, what was said over the phone as these intermediaries were talking about each other and what the trump team understood was being promised in this meeting. we believe he'll tell his

we're told rob goldstone is being invited to talk, but he's not being subpoenaed. this as mueller has issued a new subpoena to the trump campaign. sources say investigators want more russia related documents, believing there are things that possibly should have been turned over but were not. this hour i'll talk about those stories and more with congressman ted lieu. he's a democrat on the judiciary and foreign affairs committees. our correspondents and specialists are also standing by. first, let's go to our white house correspondent sarah murray. the president's tweet about alfranken certainly has raised a lot of questions. >> that's right, wolf. let the charges of hypocrisy fly. there are questions about why the president was so quick to weigh in allegations against a democratic senator but has been all but silent on allegations against a republican senate hopeful. and of course, all of this just drawing the spotlight back to allegations against the president himself. president trump's reaction to sexual assault allegations and his own history of alleged miscondu

special counsel robert mueller and his investigators are doing this even more so. >> let's discuss rob goldstone, the publicist who e-mailed donald trump jr. to set up the 2016 tower meeting. goldstone saying he's eager to talk and says he was just the go between guy. could goldstone be in legal jeopardy himself? >> well, i don't think goldstone is likely to be in legal j jeopardy himself but he's going to add a whole humorous aspect to the investigation. you look at his facebook feed and everything else, i mean, the guy always looking for a laugh and publishing pictures of himself and the president at tables in russia during the miss universe contest that are all going to be now all over the press. he was the link or at least one of the links between the trump campaign and the russians, the first one. he's the one who said listen, i represent this russian pop star whose father is a tycoon who has links to the attorney general. this is when this whole thing linking the trump's back to the russians directly started and he's got a central role in that. this is going to be very interesting to see w

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rob goldstone was also in the room for that meeting and in an interview said within a few minutes of it starting jared kushner told the russian lawyer to get to the point. the russian lawyer then started talking about the [inaudible] act and russian adoptions and not about hillary clinton. goldstone said it was a bait and switch and described kushner as furious. he recalls pulmicort harley looking up for his phone which don junior ultimately ended by telling the russian lawyer she should be speaking to the obama administration about her concerns because they were the ones in power. don junior received a lot of scrutiny for accepting the meeting in the first place but goldstone told the paper i believe he acted like a son and not like someone who was first in the world of politics. the campaign chairman manafort was sitting there so shouldn't you said to him we can't have this meeting. should don junior has said this over to the fbi when i sent the e-mail and said they had said to me who is this woman and what did she know? yes, probably. did he? no. as for goldstone he says he is not

rob goldstone said a couple things.id if i am guilty of anything -- i hate the word guilty, i love that phrase, it's hyping the message and going the extra mile for my clients. i did not make up the details, i just made them sound more interesting. is rob goldstone essentially saying he misled donald trump jr. in setting up the meeting? >> that's what he wants people to think. somebody is lying. he said in his e-mail the crown prosecutor of russia wanted to hand over information about hillary clinton to the donald trump campaign. he was very specific in his e-mail. for him not to say he was just hyping it up and exaggerating makes no sense. he was working on behalf of his client. he didn't really know anything about, you know, the rain showeren so the fact that his e-mail was so specific and said we have dirt on hillary clinton and it's coming from the russian government, it doesn't make sense why he would make that up. >> the family, his son is a budding pop star and rob goldstone represented him and that's how he came

rob goldstone who came across as a zelig figure in all of this. his slice of the story, his role in the story thus far. >> yes, brian. and this is great reporting by our colleague robert windrom who learned that rob goldstone, a music promoter, who was the go-between between the agalarov family in setting up the meeting in 2016. he wrote these e-mails saying, the russian government is helping your father's campaign and this lawyer has information from the crown prosecutor of russia. there actually is no crown prosecutor but there is a federal prosecutor. those e-mails set in motion this chain of events where we're all scrutinizing this meeting and wondering what was provided and there's been information since then. what rob goldstone that very few others know is exactly how this was set up, what was said that we're not seeing in the e-mails, what was said over the phone as these intermediaries were talking about each other and what the trump team understood was being promised in this meeting. we believe he'll tell his story to mueller and the gran

it was that publicist rob goldstone who actually first pitched the meeting to donald trump jr., promising that it would deliver dirt on hillary clinton. which trump jr. says never actually happened. investigators want goldstone, who is overseas, to come to the u.s. to talk to the special counsel. now this is an invitation to talk and not a subpoena and no date has been established yet. neither goldstone's attorneys nor the special counsel are commenting on this right now and the revelation does come at the same time congressional investigators are implying that jared kushner has not been forthcoming in handing over key documents. >> reporter: tonight, the senate judiciary committee is calling jared kushner's disclosures into question, labelling what he submitted so far incomplete and demanding more documents. the letter sent by chairman chuck grassley and top democrat dianne feinstein points to revelation monday that donald trump jr. engine changed direct messages with wikileaks over twitter during the campaign. trump jr. e-mailed jared kushner and other top campaign officials, telling th

they came from a man named rob goldstone, he's a friend of the president and other also the reason why donald trump jr. agreed in this meeting in the first place with natalia veselnitskaya, the russian lawyer. he wrote an e-mail to donald trump jr. in effect stating what you stated before that there was dirt on hillary clinton. and then comes what is a decisive sentence. a quote, this is obviously high-level and sensitive information but is part of russia and its government support for mr. trump. and in response to all of this, donald trump jr. then wrote something to the effect of, if it is what you say it is, then i love it. and that's when this meeting took place. now, we know in retrospect that donald trump jr. and others involved in that meeting said nothing came of that meeting. and certainly they're going to be very interested to speak to mr. gold stoestone currently in bangkok. trying to get him to testify. apparently, though, there is no date set yet. but certainly special counsel will want to know what exactly was said prior to that meeting and what was the dirt that this man

rob goldstone, who set up and attended that

reporter: tonight, the president's son and son-in-law both face new scrutiny, as british publicist rob goldstone is finally breaking his silence about that infamous trump tower meeting with a russian lawyer. it was goldstone who e-mailed donald trump jr. about "dirt" on hillary clinton from the kremlin. "if it's what you say, i love it," don jr. wrote back at the time. goldstone, a flamboyant promoter who worked with trump on the miss universe pageant in moscow, "useful idiot" trying to help another client. "i should have listened to that little voice in my head," he told "the sunday times: of london. adding, "if i'm guilty of anything, and i hate the word guilty, it's hyping the message and going the extra mile for my clients." the trump tower meeting did happen, but all sides insist it was not as juicy as advertised. jared kushner facing new scrutiny about wikileaks. investigators believe it acted as a conduit to leak clinton e-mails. last july, kushner told congress he had no contact with wikileaks, nor did anyone he knew of at the campaign. >> and i have been fully transparent in providing a

rob goldstone telling the london "times" he, quote, puffed up the language in his e-mail to donald trump as an attempt to satisfy his pop star client. goldstone says, quote, i never thought in a million years that an e-mail i wrote in about three minutes to don jr. would be examined by the world many times over. i just needed to get him to respond. i could have said that the russian attorney believes she found a black hole, or believes santa is real. it didn't really matter. so when he replied, if it's what you say it is, i love it, i just thought my teaser had worked. goldstone also corroborating donald trump jr.'s account that the russian lawyer discussed the act and no dirt or high level information from the russian government on clinton was ever discussed as promised in his e-mail. goldstone's revelations come a day after sources told nbc he is ready to meet with special counsel robert mueller's team and will travel to the u.s. at some point in the near future. let's bring in melanie, staff writer at the hill, kevin cirilli from bloomberg, tv. thank you both for being here. kevin i w

the london times published an interview today with rob goldstone, the british publicist who set up andended the meeting at trump tower with donald trump jr. and the russian lawyer. according to this article, goldstone says that nothing unusual or inappropriate took place in the meeting and the meeting has emerged as a focus of robert mueller's investigation into whether the trump team colluded with russia. >>> and this weekend democrats in virginia voted to hold a state run primary next year. they will try to unseat republican barbara comstock. ralph northham just won her district during the gubernatorial race. comstock will be on "meet the press" today. an treedrea mitchell is in for todd. she will also interview debbie dingell. it airs at 10:30 this morning right here on news 4. >>> open up the window, taking a live look outside. flapping in the wind. it is breezy out there. and there are power outages and reports of trees down. the hour by hour forecast is just minutes away. >>> plus a grieving father on a mission, his fight to save other families from guardrails that are supposed t

music publicest rob goldstone tells the times of london he puffed up the e-mail about what sort of dirt he had on clinton and i quote i could have said the russian attorney believed she found a black hole or believed santa is real. it didn't really matter. when trump jr. replied if it is what you say it is i love it i thought my teaser had worked. more stunning details coming up. first cnn speaks to the attorney. let's get to evan perez. what did kushner's attorney tell you? >> for months there has been the growing perception that jared kushner hasn't been forth coming about russia contacts and failure to list them on the security clearance application to this past week when the senate committee sent a bipartisan and public letter to kushner saying he hadn't turned over documents that the committee know exist so the committee says these documents cover everything from campaign contacts with wiki leaks to this russian back door proposal to connect the russian president vladimir putin with the campaign, idea that kushner rejected. in an interview with me this afternoon abbe lowell pushes

rob goldstone, the pr man behind that russian meeting, he apparently will talk to mueller. >> yeah, so he is now overseas and we expect him to come back to the u.s. at some point. now, he is a figure in the trump tower meeting that is now part of the specific counsel, part of mueller's probe. and he's a pr man. he's a public relations guy who is connected to some russian people. and he was part of the team that set up that meeting with don jr. at trump tower during the campaign back in june 2016 where a russian lawyer offered so-called dirt on hillary clinton. now, that meeting was attended by kushner, manafort and don jr. the response by the white house official when it finally came to light that this meeting happened and the "new york times" was starting to report on it, there was some misleading statements that were issued. and now that misleading statement, there was a meeting aboard air force one when that story was coming out, all of that is now part of the mueller investigation. >> so many new angels. thank you. a lot of news to talk about with my panel. joining us, kimberly doz

and rob goldstone is a figure when it comes to that trump tour meeting who gold stone had had incrimination information on hillarily. he also said the russian government was trying to help the trump campaign. those are people around him, he was goosing up the language to get the meeting. mueller's team want to get to the bottom of it to see if there's some broader conspiracy and get his account to see what happened in that meeting. john. >> so ed, one other part here is you have jared kushner at the center over the investigation. there were alt a lot of -- also a lot of questions for donald trump jr. there is a question about whether or not their interest coincide here. >> right. i think that's been one over the questions that certainly came up back in june when we started asking about the trump tower meeting, john. i think when we first approached it we were interested telling the story about jared curber amending his fs-86. then, suddenly the administration or the warehouse came up with a new answer that put it all as don junior's fault. they have a little bit of die verging interest here

. >> so british publicist rob goldstone, who helped arrange that trump tower meeting with the russians has also agreed to talk to mueller and team. why is he important and what could be that carrot dangled to get him to come to the states to be honest, to be truthful? >> well, i'm not sure what the carrot is other than ones, you know, sort of moral fiber to participate in an investigation and help the prosecuting and investigative authorities get to the truth of the matter. why he's important is because the whole of the june 9th meeting between trump and manafort and kushner and eight or nine russians was at the behest of this guy. he's the one who wrote to don jr. and said we have dirt on hillary rodham clinton and her campaign which we'd like to share with you. how about a meeting. don jr. said, cool, let's have a meeting. a little bit later in the summer would be better than now. that meeting ultimately took place on june the 9th. so what it is that was intended, what it is that actually happened, we've gotten different stories, you know, kushner has said one thing. the attorney, ho

. >> i want to ask you about rob goldstone because we know he's going to be talking with the specialounsel and he's the middle man. he set up that now infamous meeting with the russia lawyer at trump tower and all these people were there, trump jr., jared kushner, paul manafort. he's talking today, breaking his silent telling the sunday times in the uk that the hardest part has been dealing with peoples' perception of who i am, peoples' perception of what went on and having to say nothing. those things don't freak me out. what freaks me out is silence. there's nothing harder than saying nothing. it sounds like he is eagtor talk. how do you interpret that? >> he is eager to talk but this guy is comic relief as compared to abbey lowell. he's almost a clown in the way he runs -- how he makes public statements about his public relations operation. what he essentially was referring to in those two statements is the fact that he's now saying, he was exaggerating to get don jr. interested in setting up the meeting with the russian lawyer. there are conflicts in his testimony because there a

that e-mail was sent by the british music publicist rob goldstone.presented the pop star -- the son of a russian oligarch. goldstone tells the "sunday times" he puffed up the wording in the e-mail to trump jr. to secure the meeting, adding "if i'm guilty of anything, and i hate the word guilty, it's hyping the message and going the extra mile for my clients." goldstone also says he's ready to meet with robert mueller's investigators, looking into alleged collusion between russia and the campaign of donald trump. >>> speaking of jared kushner, his attorney says he wants to set the record straight on his client's interactions with senate investigators. lawmakers looking into alleged collusion with russia say that kushner did not turn over all key documents that they requested. but his lawyer tells cnn's evan perez that's not the case. >> for months there's been a growing perception that jared kushner hasn't been up front about russian contacts. from his failure to list them in his security clearance application to this past week when the senate judicia

the special counsel robert mueller wants to meet with the music publicist rob goldstone who set up thedonald trump jr. and the russian lawyer. what do you think they're looking for? >> you know, i think that's one of the single most important meetings that happened because we have firm evidence on an e-mail from donald trump jr. saying i want dirt on my political opponents. and i think they want to know more about that because i think that's one of the really concrete things that comes as close as possible to that collusion cooperation question. were they trying to get the game right in their favor based on information that the russians could give them. so i think that's why they're correctly focused on that critical meeting. >> thank you all. i appreciate it. when we come back, a senate candidate facing allegations of sexual assault of minors. the president's former chief strategist openly challenging his old boss on candidate picks. how does this play out and how does the republican party deal with this crisis of character? last thanksgiving about 2 million people tried to deep-fat f

so rob goldstone, the publicist, he orchestrated the trump tower meeting last june. he reached out to donald trump jr. on behalf of them and he suggested they meet with this russian lawyer. the dossier interestingly also says that emmon's father, who has done business with trump for several years, would know more about the alleged acts that donald trump about while he was in st. petersburg. this is a relationship that goes back a very long time, and i think that if mueller really wants to get to the bottom of a lot of trump's ties to russia, he's really going to have to interview them. >> and the thing that looms over all of this is the idea that there are tapes somewhere that the entire thing was done to produce compromising tape. we know that compromising tape is something that's been marshaled in russia for political purposes quite often. >> right. so the top russian prosecutor who was appointed by vladimir putin himself, who has very close ties to the president, he actually has done this before. he has used videotapes in order to essentially ruin his political ad

responsibly counsel robert mueller's office according to several people familiar with the matter, rob goldstone has been living in bangkok, thailand, and communicating with mueller's office through his lawyers. goldstone's new york lawyer g. robert gauge declined to comment other than to say nothing is presently scheduled. however, sources close to goldstone and familiar with the investigation say they expect he will travel to the united states at some point in the near future as one of them put it. we're joined by max boot, a senior fellow for national security sud city bs at the country krill on foreign relations and a former adviser of the mccain, romney and rubio campaigns and betsy woodruff, a politics reporter for "the daily beast." max, here we have jared kushner having said he knew nothing about contact of wikileaks. here's an e-mail showing him of clearly aware of it to the point where he's forwarding an e-mail about contact with wikileaks. >> right. i mean, lawrence, it seems just like pretty much every day another lie from the trump folks about their connections with russia exposed.

that's what rob goldstone told london's sunday times. plot to interfere with the election, saying it's the most ridiculous thing he ever heard. he also says he doesn't know if there was such a scheme and doesn't follow politics. he says he's never voted. this comes as the white house is under new scrutiny with new questions from the

. >> sure, rob goldstone is a music promoter and he's friends with the aglayer rof family that, familyat had been involved with the trumps in the miss universe pageant. goldstone conveyed a message from the aglayer roves to donald trump jr. they had russian lawyer had incriminating information about hillary clinton. this is part of a russian government effort to help your father. he's given an interview to british media where he says i was exaggerate anguish i hadn't put it that way. which frankly, is plausible. he may well have been exaggerate package what we know tell doesn't seem incriminating. what he hasn't spoken to is where did he get the idea there was a russian government effort to help the trump campaign because there was. i think investigators want to know who told him that and what did he understand about this effort. >> and there's an interview that he did with the london times and said if i'm guilty of anything and i hate the word guilty, it's hyping the message and going the extra mile for my clients using hot button language to puff up information i'd been given. i didn

the british publicist rob goldstone who helped set up the meeting between donald trump jr.willing to speak with robert mueller's team. however, his lawyer says nothing is presently scheduled. >>> the country music legend mel tillis died at 85. he received an honor no 2012. now back to "lockup." >>> i need upper door shut. >> on a typical weekday shift at the santa rita jail, it takes about 275 employees ranging from civilian workers to sworn deputies and captains to manage the facility. and its 3,000 inmates. the housing units and outdoor rec yards are usually full of actity but there is a whol other world of partially underground tunnels and service areas that stay equally as active. >> what we're looking at here is our back tunnel system which connects our maximum security yard to our medium and minimum security yard. in between here and the tunnel system, we have our kitchen. our laundry and our supply. >> silently making their way through the tunnels are 24 automated guided vehicles or agvs. around here, they're more commonly referred to as robots. >> they transport tho

he does not -- or through rob goldstone. he does not call the american authorities. it's this kind of, you know what, whoever is willing to help us, however they're willing to help us, we don't know. we welcome it. >> so pamela, speaking of, then, how does the intel community view wikileaks? >> well, what's interesting here is that he tweeted out that wikileaks link after the intelligence community had released its statement in october saying the russians were behind the hacked e-mails of the dnc and they were using wikileaks as a vehicle to gt those e-mails out. so even after that don junior tweeted out that link. if you look at this past april, mike pam payo, the head of the cia came out and had very strong words about wikileaks, calling it a none state hostile intelligence service. take a listen. >> it's time to call out wikileaks for what it really is. a none state hostile intelligence service often abet by state actors like russia. >> now, we should point out, to be fair here, don, the -- don junior stopped responding to these direct messages from wikileaks in 2

rob goldstone, obviously not telling the truth, but he is a useful idiot.on't think he's conspiring with vladimir putin to effect the 2016 election. >> there was an interesting development this week, katherine, with something not to do with the russian investigation but to do with michael flynn and this has to do with a prosecution taken place with a turkey businessman. interestingly enough, there are some reports that, in fact, federal prosecutors have managed to flip him to get him to cooperate with them against michael flynn. what could potentially be the play here for prosecutors going after this turkish businessman? >> maybe he has information. the whole reason for flipping any particular person who they might have dirt on is to get a pigger fish and potentially the bigger fish could be some where in the white house, let's say. that would be the biggest fish of all. so of course they're going to try to use as much as they can to get any potential witness to snare someone who is a much more attractive target. >> nick, from a prosecution perspective, tur

eugene, i want to turn here to rob goldstone, who's breaking his silence today about that june 26th meeting in trump tower. he says of his e-mail to donald trump jr., quote win just needed to get him to respond. i could have said that the russian attorney believes she found a plaque who or believes santa is real, it didn't really matter. so when he replied, if it's what you say it is, i love it, then i thought my teaser had worked. how do you think the white house is looking at this e-mail now especially with hope hicks in the crosshairs? >> certainly, they should be concern eed based on the ongoin investigation into their campaign about their links with russia. i'm sure they're trying to figure out how to downplay this, but that's more difficult when you see people who can't be zmu dismissed as coffee boys having conversations with those affiliated with russia in ways that are really problematic and be concerned a about the ongoing relationship now with the trump white house and these people. >> in fact, erin goldstone was adding that there was no dirt, no high-level information on hillary

and rob goldstone really is a central figure when it comes to that trump tower meeting with jared kushner, don junior, paul manafort and that russian attorney who goldstone said had incriminating information on hillary clinton. and he of course as you'll recall also said that the russian government was trying to help the trump campaign. so of course mueller's team would want to learn more about what was behind that? goldstone has told people around him he was just goosing up the language, exaggerating it to get the meeting. but mueller's team will want to get to the bottom of it to see if there was some broader conspiracy and get his account of what what happened in that meeting. >> one other interesting part here is that you have jared kushner who is he center of investigation. there are a lot of questions for him, but there are also a lot of questions for donald trump jr. ask there is a question about whether or not their interests copy side here. >> right. and i think that's been one of the questions that certainly first came up back in june when we started asking about the trump tower

tonight that while nothing is officially on the calender, a source close to the flamboyant publicist rob goldstoneating with mueller's office through his lawyer. goldstone who now lives in bangkok is ready to meet with the special counsel's team. the sources tell nbc news, quote, they expect he will travel to the united states at some point in the near future, as one put it. joyce vance is a former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst nick ackerman is a former watergate prosecutor. nick, let's start with goldstone. why is he an important witness for mueller to talk to? >> well, he's extremely important because he was present at that meeting. he's also the person who said that, one, the russian government is backing donald trump and supporting his campaign, and, two, he's the one that notified don jr. that the russians have incriminating dirt on hillary clinton. now all of this really becomes to the forefront this week with all of these new revelations about wikileaks. about the fact that don jr. was having contact with wikileaks, that kushner knew about it. the reason that wikileaks is so si

rob goldstone will travel to the u.s. from his home in thailand in the near future. goldstone is the british publicist who set up a meeting atween donald trump jr. and russian lawyer who claimed to have damaging information on hillary clinton. theresa may remains confident that brexit talks will stay on schedule. the european council president told reporters earlier today that the u.k. had not yet made sufficient concessions on financial sediments best settlement or the issue of the irish border. >> we agree that progress has been made and more needs to be done. what we need to do is move forward together. that is how we can ensure that we are going to get the best deal for the united kingdom and european union. tusk said he told me that issues needed to be resolved by early december tfor negotiations to advance to trade. five children and to rescue workers were killed in a government bombing campaign near damascus. it's the fourth day of shilling in the syrian capital and its suburbs. 40 people have been killed. this latest violence comes despite a truce in august.

rob goldstone, a music producer, has agreed to talk to mueller's staff about the meeting he brokeredween donald trump jr. and the russians. why is goldstone so important to the investigation? >> because he managed to broker that meeting. that meeting that took place at trump tower, donald trump jr. and jared kushner were present, and that brokered deal, he has a lot of information from mueller. if i were people at the trump administration and related to the trump campaign, i would be nervous because he has been overseas, he has not come forward yet, and yet we now know that he's been negotiating to be able to come forward to speak with mueller, not because he did anything wrong, per se, but the information and the wealth and the vast knowledge he may be able to disclose about the involvement of trump campaign officials, including jared kushner and maybe even donald trump's son is massive. >> all right, many thanks as always, katie phang, much appreciated. >>> coming up next, the mueller investigation is moving fast, and as one congressman told me, there will be more indictments. >>>

investigators, we are told, want rob goldstone come to the united states. no date has been set.ust to refresh your memory here, goldstone offered trump jr. a meeting with a, quote, russian government attorney and now they want to talk to him. >>> all right. i'm brooke baldwin. we're going to send it to washington here. that's going to do it for me. have wonderful weekends please stay here. "the lead" with jake tapper starts now. >>> thanks, brooke. the president says the al franken photo is really bad. it is. so is that "access hollywood" tape. "the lead" starts right now. >>> the hypocrisy seems to know no end as president trump fires off a hastily spelled tweet slamming senator al franken as the president's silence on roy moore and his own sexual assault accusers remains rather deafening. >>> standing by her man. roy moore's wife says he will not drop out despite a growing list of women accusing him of creepy and unwanted and potential illegal behavior when they were in high school. hey, how many men in your 30s do you know call high schools and track down girl in trig glass?

rob goldstone, he's agreed to talk to bob mueller's team. a couple of things. one, why might goldstone be so important to this administration -- this investigation? and two, should the administration be worried? >> reporter: sheinelle, goldstone is important because he was the guy who set up this meeting. he was the intermediary between the russian family and donald trump jr. he wrote those e-mails we've all read that said the russian government is trying to help your dad and this russian lawyer has incriminating information on hillary clinton. so we've seen those e-mails. but robert mueller wants to know what else goldstone knows about what was promised, what was delivered. so he's important in this. >> ken, thank you. >>> some other big headlines we're following this morning include an intense manhunt under way in florida a day after three inmates broke out of jail. they escaped through the ceiling in the jail's library. stephanie gosk is here with the latest. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. you know, this morning residents in florida are on edge and

rob goldstone, british publicist, agreed to talk to mueller's team. not a lot is known about the meeting in 2016. a couple things, one, why might goldstone be so important to the administration -- this investigation? two, should the administration be worried? >> goldstone is important because he is the guy that set up the meeting. he was the intermediary between the russian family of oligarchs and donald trump jr. he wrote the e-mails we've read that said the russian government is trying to help your dad. this russian lawyer has incriminating information on hillary clinton. we've seen those e-mails. robert mueller wants to know what else goldstone knows about how this meeting was set up, what was promised, what was delivered. he is an important witness in this investigation. >> ken in washington for us, thank you. >>> other headlines this morning include an intense manhunt underway in northern florida this morning, a day after three inmates broke out of jail. they escaped through the ceiling in the jail's library. nbc's stephanie gosk is here with the