just last august, the greensboro city council apologized officially to the victims and their familiesnd cited that truth and reconciliation commission report to say we see what happened here, and we're sorry. >> i'm glad you said that. i've often wondered whether we could benefit as a society, certainly local communities benefit more from engaging that trc model. everybody knows how well it worked in south rica. here you have all these years of apartheid, and rather than go on a witch hunt to find every criminal who misbehavednd had maimed or tortured or killed during apartheid, they set up a trc, truth and reconciliation commission. and it worked wonders the democracy, in the establishment of democracy in south africa. your example now in greensboro, how well it worked. we talk a lot about civilian review boards when police misbehave ross the country. i wonder whether or not you think that that trc model might be more effective in communities like they tried in greensboro. >> i think so. i don't think it's a panacea. it doesn't take care of things by itself. so many of the things i s