i mean, john hiatt seems to be at your side almost like glued to you or you to him, which is great, to see the two of you guys together is amazing. it's a different configuration. you don't just go out at one flavor. you have many flavors. - you know, and it's, i can kinda only sustain the large band in the summertime when we're able to play, play some outdoor venues and the kinda dates that can support the budget. i mean, when i have the large band out, we're 30 people on the road with crew. - [evan] i mean, large is large in that case. - well, it feels large to me, and we're 14 on stage, but we're two trucks and three buses, and it's, you know, we carry our own sound and lights. - it's a big production. - it is a big production. - and hagen, you say, you've played with, i mean, i know the name john hagen because if you live in this community or you go see you, you know john hagen. amazing cello player, great fixture on the scene. others in that band have also been with you for a long time. - i met matt rollings who plays, just the most brilliant piano player in the world. i me 1years