. >> our great secretary roberto boomer got back to me and i forgot about this, october 31, you wanted to update pe -- and we decreased evasion over the last five years. so it's dropped from $19.2 million to $17 million in evasion. that's how much we're losing. thank you, mrs. boomer. >> director: that you all. a couple observations around the fare evasion i'll remember commander natella when she was in charge and i went on a ride along with the proof of payment directors and i remember the director telling me when they were sometimes so surprised with who the fare evaders were one day they did a bunch of emergency room doctors evading the fair coming back from lunch. it goes back to the previous discussion about bias and we can't assume that we know who is evading the fare or to your point, the reason they're evading the fare. that was an interesting discussion. i'm sorry vice chair heinicke is not theor because we focus on that and on slide 7 we can assume the 9% who say the cash transfer is a better value as the new fare box come on board and they get those that match the clipper or