let's bring in zelena maxwell, director of progressive programming for sirius xm. joe watkins, form erp white house aide to george bush. welcome to you all three on a saturday morning. rick, with you first here, do you see any sense of what white house insiders are saying about this very sudden and unexpected flynn development. if you were in the west wing, what would you be thinking? >> it should be very nerve-racking for the white house. he was close to president trump. remember flynn pled guilty to lying to the fbi, which you can't do. there's clearly other charges that he could be charged with related to his dealings with turkey. there is a kidnapping plot, et cetera. jared kushner's liability looks like whether he did lie to the fbi or not, we don't know if he did. kwropbtd that, i'm still not clear what the underlying charge is going to be. the logan act has never been prosecuted. it seems like it wouldn't be. it remains to be seen. president trump has been protecting general flynn. and outline he would want to protect jared kushner. there is still a lot of u

. >> let's bring in zelena maxwell for the clinton campaign now progressive program or for sirius xm. and joe watkins, aide to george w. bush, and michael steele, former adviser for jeb bush's campaign. good saturday morning to all three of you. attorney general jeff sessions provided something of a different take on the fbi yesterday. let's listen to that. >> president trump clearly suggested that the reputation and the status of the fbi is in tatters. do you share that view? >> well, i don't share the view that the fbi as functioning is not functioning at a high level all over the country. >> how do you make sense of the president's insistence that the fbi is in tatters? >> we are seeing a coordinated and strategic smear campaign of not only the fbi but the mueller investigation. that is their tactic in this moment as the investigation clearly is closing around the president and the people closest to him, his family members. we had don jr. testifying for nine hours. we had reports that the president's personal attorneys are meeting with special counsel. something that wouldn't norma