of casp certified in the immediate bay area. given the volume of this program, it could be having access to a regular engineer and architect will broaden the availability of expertise for the public. >> so does that mean everybody has to come into the department then and kind of individually -- and take a day off the business to come in and do that? how are we addressing that? >> there is as part of the program that's already posted on the website, there is a way to see if you may be exempt. and you can self-certify and send in an affidavit saying that the property is exempt. and that form is already on the website and can be filled out and sent to us and would not require coming in. there will be many cases where there are unknowns that having consultation with an engineer or architect and our staff going through our screening form process and will be necessary. >> and it just strikes me as a lot of responsibility for a mom and pop outfit to come in and do that. was there a more simpler process to offer particularly when they a

so i think programs like jasp and casp are what we need more of. if you know someone interested, the deadline applications are still open. so encourage them to apply, from personal experience it is truly a once in a lifetime opportunity. so i would like to bring to a close the fifth u.s. japan bilateral conference, we hope to see you at future events. thank you. >> if you have any questions, feel free to take a card and e-mail me. >> watch cspa's profile series on white house administration officials. this week we feature energy secretary, rick perry. >> today as we market us producedly gi fied natural gas, as we sell our copy on carbon capture, being able to use coal in a responsible way to other countries, the national labs -- those 17 national labs are probably some of the best investment that the american taxpayer made over the course of the years because of the basic research that was done there and then the commercialization of that research to change people's lives. >> rick perry, friday night at 8:00 eastern on cspan, cspan.org and with the