i'd have the a.i.a. go out and go through the sausage grind and see how do you both interpret what they are. if there's a gap it would come out in that. i want to see what that looks like. i think the project come before us we need a checklist. it puts it down on paper and tells what the department think. as somebody else has a process change with how things get evaluated, i think with this document, this is 75%, but changing the process a little bit so you have a change in the team you talk and the architect explains it and there's a checklist there and you work from the same checklist rather than concepts. that would be great and would clarify, we might disagree but this is why we disagree. the department's determination should be in our packet. and i've said that since we started doing this. sometimes we get a design on a building up here and i think of many of them. we can put them through the sausage mill too across from the sailor's hall on top of the mill and we can go over 10 of them and say what

would the a.i.a. engage would you do a retro analysis of this to see? david, you can help. i'd love to be involved because it sounds like fun. >> maybe we'll have an informational memo. we're not that far apart. in march we can decide what to do. i'm not directing your staff. if david wants to volunteer we'll pick three buildings and talk about how to do it. did i just volunteer i think we all want to more it forward and it's a good way to do it. >> commissioner: any other comments? thank you very much. thank you for the input. >> commissioners, item 11. written departments will be accepted until 5:00 at the planning department on january 16. >> i am the coordinator for the project. with me is preservation planner and also the project sponsor is present. the item before you is the review and comment on the 500 turk street report. the purpose of today's hearing is to take public comments on the adequacy and accuracy of the draft pursuant to the california environmental quality act and san francisco's local procedures. for approval is requested at this time. the project revie

members of the commission, director, my name is joe butler, architect here in the city, member of the a.i.a., 30 years in practice. i have been bringing building department applications over that whole period of time and i've seen, i've seen a lot worse than what she showed on the wall there. we have three f.t.e.s in the back row. how much money do they represent in the budget of this department. those guys, not this woman who takes time off from her day to come down here, those guys should solve these problems. well, then you look into it, and you find out that those guys are the reasons we have these problems. the senior managers continue to do permit intake in your department, tom. i mean -- i think it's below their pay grade. i don't know. because usually when you come in and you bring a permit in, the people behind the desk are not the senior managers. for some developers, some contractors, they come in and they get their permits approved by ed sweeney or mr. duffy or, or quality control by ron thoum. how does that happen? why are these senior people taking in permit applications. oh,