the uk government's environment department, defra, provides around 45% of kew‘s income.gardens' depends heavily on the generosity of donors — from private philanthropy, the corporate sector and the public. visitors are essential, too. with us is sandra botterell, director of marketing & commercial enterprise at kew gardens. nice to see you. good morning. we talked about some of the funding and we had a chat and you get even less money from the government? it's about one third at the moment, that means we have to generate two thirds of our revenue ourselves. explain for people who don't know how it works where you get the majority. as you mentioned, a lot of it is philanthropy and different types of philanthropy, we have a successful friends scheme, membership scheme. corporate philanthropy and individual giving. but we have lots of different ways that we raise commercial revenue and that is really important. it is increasingly important as our public funding goes down. funding is key. this is a 200—year—old site, it is pretty huge. it's not just 200—year—old site, it is