and now reform campaigner jonathan robinson his latest book on it about his attempts to get the establishment to listen to his concerns about justice in britain is out now jonathan thanks so much for coming on to faulkner alleging all of this about the state of justice in the u.k. what was your experience. fully justified for a short sentence in two thousand and eleven i've never once complained about being sent to prison i was only there for seventeen weeks. or i expected the shawshank redemption. mostly saw multipart from there have been groups like the howard league since what the twenty's.

to function just how bad is it well we're joined by former prisoner and now reform campaigner jonathan robinson his latest book on it about his attempts to get the establishment to listen to his concerns about justice in britain is out now to the thanks so much for coming on sir for your alleging all of this about the state of justice in the u.k. what was your experience. fully justified very short since and since two thousand and eleven i've never once complained about being sent to prison i was only there for seventeen weeks. and i expected the shawshank redemption. mostly small multiply from there have been groups like the howard league since with the twenty's saying the kind of thing you're saying to me now why have the bullshits not been listening since then to deliver your books descriptions of the monty python type on the bus is a situation that m.p. wants it's me jonathan all politicians are terrified of the daily mail and the prison issue is an election loser through shouting and constant pain in the neck behavior i don't see why we can't make it an election win and make prison purpose

robinson from the "washington post." both are m subpoena np bc political analysts and jonathan allen, national political reporter for nbc news digital. ashley, what is going on with trump? when sarah sanders came out today, she actually said something i didn't believe. she said basically the president's always admitted that there was russian meddling in the election. where did she get that from? did he say go out and tell us that when he's been denying it forever? >> let's be clear. the president has not always admitted there was russian meddling or russian interference in u.s. elections. that's wishful thinking on the part of sarah sanders. you know, the thing is that this president basically, whenever the topic of russia comes up and their interference, he views it if he admits they interfered in the u.s. elections, it would be a referendum on the legitimacy of his own presidency. and that's why he is so unwilling repeatedly to ever say that russia did in fact do what his intelligence community says it did, what members of congress say, which is try to interfere and again, that's what we saw in the tweets, him trying