krypto markets are on the rise again with the top ten coins all in positive territory monday bitcoin has spiked above ten thousand dollars to ten thousand three hundred an afternoon trading that's a gain of more than ten percent up more than nine hundred dollars and twenty four hours. so will kryptos take off like they did late last year here discusses jeffrey tucker the editorial director of the american institute for economic research jeffrey welcome back i want to get to your op ed in a minute but what do you make of these price moves. it's funny in the crypto space in the president everyone's happy with their fall and everybody's sad you know we discuss these waves of emotion and it's all fun we all know where this is headed up up up when how much nobody knows for sure right now when you wrote this op ed i want to read part of it to our viewers so you can explain it. you might be living in a time in which you will experience the end of central banking and perhaps even feel the currency and the replacement by a completely new system now you know deleted by question is a lot of tim

krypto markets are on the rise again with the top ten coins all in positive territory monday bitcoin has spiked above ten thousand dollars to ten thousand three hundred in afternoon trading that's a gain of more than ten percent up more than nine hundred dollars and twenty four hours. so will kryptos take off like they did late last year here discusses jeffrey tucker the editorial director of the american institute for economic research jeffrey welcome back i want to get to your op ed in a minute but what do you make of these price moves. it's funny in the kryptos face when the president everyone's happy with their fall and everybody's sad you know we discuss these waves of emotion and it's all fun we all know where this is headed up up up when how much nobody knows for sure right now when you wrote this op ed i want to read part of it to our viewers so you can explain it. you might be living in a time in which you will experience the end of central banking and perhaps even feel the currency and the replacement by a completely new system now you know deleted by question is a lot of t

it's funny in the kryptos face when the president everyone's happy with their fall and everybody's sad you know we discuss these waves of emotion and it's all fun we all know where this is headed up up up when how much nobody knows for sure right now when you wrote this op ed i want to read part of it to our viewers so you can explain it. you might be living in a time in which you will experience the end of central banking and perhaps even feel the currency and the replacement by a completely new system now you know deleted by question is a lot of times there's been sort of these out there statements jeffrey amy you have to admit on a bunch of things related to kryptos and i think if i had read this you know three years ago i would have thought you were you know. twelve but that it's worth discussing and i was a six one yourself i'm out yeah i'm actually believe it or not i'm actually a cautious writer i try not to say crazy things. but when i wrote that article i thought you know i just have to say it was true and what's true hair is that the central banking model is premised on two e

sort of these out there statements jeffrey amy you have to admit on a bunch of things related to kryptos and i think if i had read this you know three years ago i would have thought you were you know. twelve but that it's worth discussing and i'm so sixty one yourself i'm out yeah i'm actually believe it or not i'm actually a cautious writer i try not to say crazy things. but what i wrote that article i thought you know i just have to say it was true and was what's true hair is that the central banking model is premised on two essential conditions one a complete monopoly over the money and two that all the money runs through the through the banking system and that it's controlled. from the center and so that's why in this piece argued in the monopoly is essentially to end central banking and i think crypto can do that is just a much better technology and we're seeing that happen gradually in some places very fast in other places like venezuela which i think was the topic of that article well explained of that as well and model and what's happened there with the ball of our. well that's a

so currency this is our tease krypto. the price of bitcoin drops below six thousand and one streets we go to the tokens twenty. four of singapore to get on the inside street find out what's going on. make the world's largest crypto fun and tell me world's most accurate point price predict. people think it's the you know the bubbles bursting as it were done and what the point. what do you think right here that are by the by the. i believe of the point i just i really think it through going to be the end of the . future big court has always reversed because some of the smartest computer scientists in the world are working on it making it more secure making it more usable making it cheaper for trying to transact and get them but i get that tomorrow but we'll get there when will the price stabilize because it's going it's going down so i think there's probably a strong support level at six thousand obviously that could be a bridge that we could go lower but it feels like there's definitely like whoa dollars down there right a

cover now the idea of trying to go out after the new hundred forty funds are now you know trading krypto and and all these new big exchanges that are popping up they don't have the money you mentioned just a moment ago a mark that the gold price was maybe. and it from performance to have it be lashon and then manipulation the same simply. blatantly in front of the face of regulators like silver was a bar children before this guy was bart chilton got was given air fuel evidence and a sam didn't seem to see what was right in front of his face so you know there's seems to be a conflict here am i wrong look incentives matter did i just lose half your clients are going to not i mean look i talk about this stuff too and and the reality is it centers matter and people do with their incentive to do and you know j.p. morgan had a lot of short gold and silver positions and they need someone to take their side so boom we get an e.t.f. long goal but that is seemingly going to happen here in big coin and blocking related crypto related assets and it's a process we're still very young people want to k

now the idea of trying to go out after the new hundred forty funds that are now you know trading krypto and and all these new big exchanges that are popping up they don't have the money you mentioned just a moment ago a mark that gold price was maybe. it from performance to manipulation and then manipulation the same simply. blatantly in front of the face of regulators like silver was a car children before this guy was brought to clean it was given air fuel evidence and he same didn't seem to see what was right in front of his face so you know there's seems to be a conflict where am i wrong look incentives matter did i just lose half your clients are going to not i mean look i talk about this stuff too and the reality is it centers matter and people do with their incentive to do and you know j.p. morgan had a lot of short gold and silver positions and they need someone to take the other side so boom we get an e.t.f. long goal but that is seemingly going to happen here in big coin and block related crypto related assets and it's a process we're still very young if you want to but which i

really they are questioning the economic value, the krypto currencies add.n behave as a currency. there is an argument that the mainstream finance world don't like it because it will disrupt the market so the point you do away with banks but i think really, the concerns are justified. there is do we need currencies that don't have central banks backing them up. i don't know if there is a case for that, accept in the dark markets they talk about in the report. markets they talk about in the report. a pakistani court has sentenced a man to death for murdering a student who was falsely accused of blasphemy. five others got life sentences. the student was mashal khan. last april rumours spread that he'd posted blasphemous material online. he was dragged out of his university accommodation in the province of khyber pakhtunkhwa by hundreds of fellow students. they killed him. mr khan was studying at abdul wali khan university. it's named after a local secular political leader and its website talks about "the crying need to join together the human society irrespect

crypto currencies are on the back foot lot of money that was in the multi hundred billion dollars krypto spaces down flowing into gold we know that from watching the trade patterns and the reports we're getting. from the exchanges so yeah this could be gold year so before i move on to the next line about gold and silver coin and other things and how they responded and said dollars falling and how that reminds us of the past well on this is comments they say echo statements by president donald trump who famously helped turn a market trend of a stronger dollar last january when he said prior to his inauguration that the dollar was quote too strong and that u.s. companies can't compete because of it particularly against the chinese the dollar index has lost more than ten percent since then and after we knew comment last wednesday morning it sank to a new three year low he said that obviously a weaker dollar is good for the u.s. and good for trade i'm not so sure if you don't actually produce that myatt's other than weapon system it's not like. you know there was any problem selling weapon s

dollars i'm an investor in digital currencies kryptos how do i split it up just to fall over to invest much more. but. i would still put significant amount into big corps and maybe. turned to twenty percent into bitcoin rate because you see again this is so no surprise correction rate it's down to ten so it wasn't so obviously i think bitcoin has a potential to go two hundred thousand was in one or two years it can go back again two to five thousand trade but the potential is there right and as interest in applications. like cripple you know for payment political for payment right. syria may still believes they have a very good opportunity to scale and to develop new applications on say their network but there are also like more technical protocols like iota rate. very exciting that that will enable machine to machine payment for example rate so i would say you know put a little bit like maybe once or to in very technical protocols like you want or puts you know once into all those different cryptocurrency. like when there are and so on rate and put about one or one quarter into beat c

news because here's another headline poland central bank secretly paid you to burgers to slander kryptos so a polish youtube or with around one million subscribers was paid about thirty thousand dollars by the central bank of poland in collaboration with the polish financial supervision authority to portray crypto currencies and the negative light without disclosing the payment and the video now here is the difference between. paying you know you tubers to descript o.-o. d.c. any bit corners crying saying oh my god big queens being undermined our institutions are blocked cim is being undermined by these people being paid by the central bank to discard currency you know because we're like bring it on like nothing's going to take it down we have faith and our foundations and our institutions and our and what we believe in we have faith in it we don't like you can say whatever you want to about it you can say all the fund you want in the world doesn't matter we don't have that same sort of conspiracy theory minded absence of faith and our own beliefs such as michael pollan but quite expose

krypto is the new black and even a recent roller coaster ride in because of its price hasn't got off want to be traders in russia throwing themselves head first into the magic world of crypto currency mining everyone's at it from students the secret nuclear scientists yeah that's right russia secret service to tend to technicians in the town of set off for using the plant supercomputer to mine online and there are no exception after reporting energy outages in the control center of one of russia's busiest airports the matters were discovered an idea engineer that set up an entire mining farm and even connected it to the airport grid those pesky technicians and even workers at russia's biggest bank of succumb to mania according to the head of burbank mining without even leaving their workstations leaders to say he doesn't approve we are not engaged in mining but we often catch employees mining on our equipment while it could all be worse of course one miner's burning desire for because literally proved too much and short circuit meant eight flats destroyed and forty damaged although t

stop for everything how to excite in the world of botching technology so currents this is hard t's krypto the. price of bitcoin drops below six thousand just panic on the streets we go to was told. for singapore to get on the inside find out what's going on. make the move the world's largest crypto fund and tell me thinks the world's most accurate plain price predict. people think it's the you know the bubbles bursting is that we're done and we're the point. what do you think all right here that are by that you know five of them. i'm a believer of the point i just i really think it through the going to be the innovation of the future because it has always reverse because some of the smartest computer scientists in the world are working on it making it more secure making it more usable making it cheaper for trying to transact and get them and i get that tomorrow but we'll get there when will the price stabilize because it's going it's going down so i think there's probably a strong support level at six thousand obviously that could be a bridge that we could go lower but it feels like there

pressures on them to do these things than you can watch the full digest on our you tube this is our tease krypto you i mean your parents and ya go. russia's security forces have neutralized an islamic state terrorist who they say was planning an attack on the day of the russian presidential election. the raid was carried out in the city. because city according to the authorities the suspect try to resist arrest an explosive device as well as firearms and elements to manufacture more bombs were found at the suspects house. still to come twenty eight russian athletes are cleared of doping accusations and could still take part in this month's winter olympics all the details on the reaction to that news after this break. what holds his hands to you should. he put themselves on the line to get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president and you. want to be rich. to going to be press this is what before three in the morning can't be good. i'm interested always in the waters and my. question. is higher for the currency market itself is still on track to eclipse the global banking oleg awfull

into the state's rights of arizona saying you know what we want the business we want the tax revenue krypto is the marijuana of money you can't smoke it but you can get high off it and they're thinking you know what we love it we've already got now bought a next door they're making big in the casino business in the bunny ranch and all of them fluffy looking people girls and what not and guys i suppose in the think of the arm of revenue to say in crypto is the way forward crypto is the answer the little digits in the little code or something that will give us the kind of relief we need to pay for roads and infrastructure and maybe we can open our own little bus brothel and whatnot you never know once you go down this path it's anything's possible. for example those in my opening comments that would be my gambit at this time myself oh my word salad but don't toss it so let's go over a few little bits some of the nuggets from their first paragraph i'll read to you they do admit here that some of the early buyers of c.c. i cryptocurrency were clearly dismayed by ballooning balance sheets of the

news because here's another headline poland central bank secretly paid you to burgers to slander kryptosso a polish youtube or with around one million subscribers was paid about thirty thousand dollars by the central bank of poland in collaboration with the polish financial supervision authority to portray crypto currencies and the negative light without disclosing the payment and the video now here is the difference between. paying you know you tubers to descript o.-o. do you see any big corners crying saying oh my god big queens being undermined our institutions are blocked cim is being undermined by these people being paid by the central bank to dis our currency no because we're like bring it on like nothing's going to take it down we have faith and our foundations and our institutions and our and what we.

into the state's rights of arizona saying you know what we want the business we want the tax revenue krypto is the marijuana of money you can't smoke it but you can get high off it and they're thinking you know what we love it we've already got now bought a next door they're making big bank in the casino business in the bunny ranch with all them fluffy looking people girls and what not and guys i suppose a minute think of the arm of revenue to say in crypto is the way forward crypto is the answer the little digits in the little code or something that will give us the relief we need to pay for roads and infrastructure and maybe we can open our own little bus brothel and whatnot you never know once you go down this path it's anything's possible. for example those in my opening comments that would be my gambit at this time myself oh my word salad but don't toss it so let's go over a few little bits some of the nuggets from their first paragraph i'll read to you they do admit here that some of the early buyers of c.c. i cryptocurrency were clearly dismayed by ballooning balance sheets of the ma

more faith in investing in those payment systems than i would in speculating which of these thirteen krypto thirteen hundred cryptocurrency s. are going to ultimately win the race to be digital tokens of the future david vaile what is your take on what we've seen the dramatic rise and now the recent plummet in tech ounces particularly the the the big three big ones what's going on here well look i suppose it just emphasizes the same questions that people have been asking. more so very recently which is what ease this thing what what what these technologies are they currencies of late assets they gambling tokens there's no doubt that the underlying technology the block chain technology has a lot of attention uses whether any of those are currencies do i think. not really proven yet if the currency jumps by ten percent a day then you know no one can really discern know whether the what trust they're paying for anything and so there's always been that problem and there's always been a problem with it as a currency that you can't pay taxes you know which is one of the key features of the curren

interference china south korea the banks now and the united states you can't buy you big you can't buy a kryptos with the credit cards the number of banks it's regulations it's going to bring it down but the important thing is crypto z. here to stay as well as the block chain technology that everyone's fall in love with that's really a whole new way it's a whole new accounting system in so many ways so this is the twenty first century now let's go to china. you go to china end up paying for cash or credit cards you're putting your wrap up there the world is going cashless people aren't attached to a coin of the realm we're talking about the markets being over evaluated over leveraged which they just passed that neither you know or going to keep the government going and put his deeper in debt this hundreds of trillions of dollars in global debt and people that are awake don't want to invest in their field currencies you want to oh these digital currencies aren't worth anything oh you mean those digital dollars printed on nothing and backed by nothing are worth more you got a clown out there shoot

news because here's another headline poland central bank secretly paid you tube burgers to slander kryptosso a polish youtube or with around one million subscribers was paid about thirty thousand dollars by the central bank of poland in collaboration with the polish financial supervision authority to portray crypto currencies and the negative light without disclosing the payment and the video now here is the difference between. paying you know you tubers to descript o.-o. d.c. any bit corners crying saying oh my god big queens being undermined our institutions are blocked cim is being undermined by these people being paid by the central bank to discard currency you know because we're like bring it on like nothing's going to take it down we have faith and our foundations and our institutions and our and what we believe in we have faith in it we don't like you can say whatever you want about it you can say all the fund you want in the world doesn't matter we don't have that same sort of conspiracy theory minded absence of faith and our own beliefs such as michael pollan but quite exposed the

in many examples over the weekend and i'm hoping that this we actually go away quite mildly with krypto jacking it could have been a lot worse and what i'm hoping is that this will serve as a wake up call going forward and we may see organizations start to protect against attacks like this but more and more people use crypto currencies the more and more this we're going to see a way. yes i think so i think certainly the rise of crypto jacking is related to the value of crypto currency so as a crypto currency increases in value if you can steal it or obtain it illegitimately then then your proceeds increase and they're worth more so i think yes that we will see the rise of more crypto jocking attacks like this partially motivated by the increase in the value of crypto currency is and partially motivated right now by the ease with which these attacks can be carried out and i suppose unless someone pulls a finger right on this it's going to deter a lot of people from try in their hand with crypto currency to buy in this stuff for the hard and soft somewhere that could just disappear. i hop

a polkadot jeff welcome back it's my pleasure max and jeff congratulations this is an archipelago krypto polka thing is blowing up man is a must go to event era here about all the time you must be very pleased yeah actually we've been totally shocked we were not expecting this we have about triple the audience of last year it's going to be actually sold out it's going to be about fifteen hundred people we had about six hundred last year and yet it's piers that this anarchy thing is kind of popular there i'd say to as if i or somebody showed up out and they couldn't get a ticket it's completely sold out you have the main conference is sold out but there's all kinds of events before and after it's almost like a month long sort of a vent but so you go to an archipelago dot com and scroll down you can see all the workshops and you can also live stream the conference at an arco polka dot com slash live stream so what a lot of people are doing is coming down and they're going to actually just sit by the pool and watch the conference on their i pad and then when the people all come out from aft

stop for everything hot exciting in the world of botching technology so parents this is our tease krypto. the price of bitcoin drops below six thousand and one streaks we go to the tokens twenty. four in singapore to get on the inside find out what's going on. make the world's largest crypto fun and tell me thinks the world's most accurate point price predict big. people think it's the you know the bubbles bursting that's it we're done and we're the point. what do you think all right here at a buy that got a five of them. i'm a believer of the point i just i really think it's really been going to be the innovation of the future because it has always reversed because some of the smartest computer scientists in the world are working on it making it more secure making it more usable making it cheaper which the trans are and will get them but i get that tomorrow but we'll get there when will the price stabilize because it's going it's going down so i think there's probably a strong support level at six thousand obviously that could be a bridge that we could go lower but it feels like there's

and i was like wow the stuff crazy and started taking with my school and kind of spent a lot time krypto by loved and it was worth every minute of it honestly and at school. no worthier perfect your teachers they were they interested in this and that this kind of filter back up to them to the older well i got a lot of questions about crypto you know as a young kid and they're always like what is this big court stuff a lot of the classmates started joining in on me so we started kind of taking over some of the classes and all the discussions were about to coin and some almost every project i did was about pickle and if i could make it about it so i was kind of the big guy in school so all right cool all right so now when let's talk about the mining so in setting up a crypto mining operation how difficult is it to enter the space. you know as competition for chips it's quite fierce so how difficult now is that they get into mining so right now we've actually seen just the past since january first like an eighty percent rise in graphics card prices so it's been crazy i was trying to get int

currency of the millennial and we're going to be a little lapdog over here we love you kids we love krypto my kids play with crypt oh how sincere is that look at think it's sincere and i think it's real in the sense that a couple things about the f.c.c. and see if you see it all these regulatory bodies don't have enough people they can barely cover what they have to cover now the idea of trying to go out after the new hundred forty funds that are now you know trading crypto and and all these new big exchanges that are popping up they don't have the money you mentioned just a moment ago a mark that the gold price was maybe. and it from performance to have it be lashon and the manipulation the same simply. blatantly in front of the face of regulators like silver was a bar children before this guy was brought to clean it was given air a futile evidence and he seemed didn't seem to see what was right in front of his face so you know there's seems to be a conflict here and my wrong look incentives matter i just lose half your clients are going to not i mean look i talk about this stuff too when

down by more than half from its all time high reached in mid december facebook has also moved on kryptos single block all ads promoting bitcoin or other cryptocurrency products and services and girlfriends looks into the ban. big news in the world of crypto facebook is banning all cryptocurrency ads explanation of the social networks not sure all of the companies behind them are operating in quote good faith so it's stepping in to save the day. we want people to continue to discover and learn about new products and services through facebook ads without fear of scams or deception there you go with the crypto boom comes the crypto rag down we already seen some governments across the world seeking to ryan in the uncharted waters of the crypto market to from china to the u.k. pseudo financial innovations that have no relationship with the real economy should not be supported i would caution the people we know road to look all about war and sons forms the price but cotton it's not committed to this war because the eventual supply is fixed if you want to invest in but be prepared to lose all y

mood in singapore where some of the world's biggest investors have gathered to discuss all things krypto. well the one and only stop for everything hot exciting in the world of botching. so it's this is hard to script told the. price of bitcoin drops below six thousand and one streets. go to the twenty. fourth in singapore to get on the inside find out what's going on. meet. the world's largest crypto fund and tell me the world's most accurate clean price predict. people think it's the you know the bubbles bursting that's it we're done with that point. what do you think all right here that are. five of them. i'm a believer of the point i just i really think it's really going to be the innovation of future big point has always reversed because some of the smartest computer scientists in the world are working on it making it more secure making it more usable making it cheaper for trying to translate and get them tomorrow but we'll get there when will the price stabilize because it's going it's going down so i think there's probably a strong support level at six thousand obviously that coul

crypto currencies are on the back foot lot of money that was in the multi hundred billion dollars krypto spaces down flowing into gold you know that from watching the trade patterns and the reports are getting. back from the exchanges so yeah this could be gold year so before i move on to the next line about gold and silver coin and other things and how they've responded to consider dollar falling and how that reminds us of the past well on this is comments they say echo statements by president donald trump who famously helped turn a market trend of a stronger dollar last january when he said prior to his inauguration that the dollar was quote too strong and that u.s. companies can't compete because of it particularly against the chinese the dollar index has lost more than ten percent since then and after we knew comment last wednesday morning it sank to a new three year low he said that obviously a weaker dollar is good for the u.s. and good for trade i'm not so sure if you don't actually produce that much other than weapon system it's not like. you know there was any problem selling we

lot and i was like wow the stuff crazy and started taking with my school and kind of spent a lot on krypto by loved and it was worth every minute of it honestly and school. oh worthy or perfect your teachers they were they interested in this and that this kind of filter back up to them to the old well i got a lot of questions about crypto you know as a young kid and they're always like what is this because a lot of the classmates started joining in on me so we started kind of taking over some of the classes and all the discussions were about the corn and some almost every project i did was about pickle and if i could make it about it so i was kind of the big guy in school so all right cool all right so now when let's talk about the mining so when setting up a crypto mining operation how difficult is it to enter the space. you know as competition for chips it's quite fierce so how difficult now is that get into mining so right now we've actually seen just the past since january first like an eighty percent rise in graphics card prices so it's been crazy i was trying to get into the space be

and i was like wow the stuff crazy and started taking with my school and kind of spent a lot time krypto by loved and it was worth every minute of it honestly and school . oh worthy or perfect your teachers they were they interested in this and that this kind of filter back up to them to the old well i got a lot of questions about crypto you know as a young kid and they're always like what is this big court stuff a lot of the classmates started joining in on me so we started kind of taking over some of the classes and all the discussions were about bitcoin and some almost every project i did was about pickle and if i could make it about it so i was kind of the big guy in school so all right cool all right so now when let's talk about the mining so in setting up a crypto mining operation how difficult is it to enter the space. you know as competition for chips it's quite fierce so how difficult now is that get into mining so right now we've actually seen just the past since january first like an eighty percent rise in graphics card prices so it's been crazy i was trying to get into the sp

the economy and that immediately sends sellers out front but i just talked to john and he's doing a kryptond i think it should be supportive and bullish here at this $10,000 bitcoin. >> it's a 21 day moving average. that's 12,000 on the show last week as resistance and now there's two tops there that's your resistance right there. the market is trading very technical right now. i don't see the threat of regulation as strong right now it's eased a little bit and that's why we had that pop off the lows so i would expect this market to trade sideways and then if we get one application for one cryptocurrency you'll see them all pop. >> meantime we're joined by bryce doty he's going to tell us why he sees denial about rates in the market plus carter worth of cornerstone macro break down the three charts pointing to a big rally ahead for gold futures now at cnbc.com. >> let's do our trader blitz now. pandora is down today despite beating revenue estimates. you about 20,000 those did not workout. because of the weaker guidance the stock got punished to the outsi outside. so 2018 output is up 3%.

to know how you see but coins future panning up do you use social media as a means of researching kryptos you can message me directly at least hard a.j. he sent us a whatsapp message or use our trusty hash tag jane is great thank you back on inside story back in december i tried to get back to basics with crypto currencies when it was up at those astronomical highs if you still news or the whole idea of this is not a bad addition to watch it. just to deal with the what's in the house in the wise also the inside story tamed with john doesn't i think it is looking at this again tonight saturday first airing of that is at seventeen thirty g.m.t. it is ninety minutes after the news grid and you should watch that episode with that fellow on screen right now he'll explain it all i promise you now china is the one belt of one road project to link beijing with the rest of asia and europe is now weaving its way through now project includes a multi-billion dollar high speed rail line being built by china critics though say it's too expensive this is another in our global trade routes series wind he

news because here's another headline poland central bank secretly paid you to burgers to slander kryptosso a polish youtube or with around one million subscribers was paid about thirty thousand dollars by the central bank of poland in collaboration with the polish financial supervision authority to portray crypto currencies and the negative light without disclosing the payment and the video now here is the difference between. paying you know you tubers to descript o.-o. d.c. any bit corners crying saying oh my god big queens being undermine our institutions our block cim is being undermined by these people being paid by the central bank to discard currency now because we're like bring it on like nothing's going to take it down we have faith and our foundations and our institutions and our and what we believe in we have faith in it we don't like you can say whatever you want to about it you can say all the fund you want in the world doesn't matter we don't have that same sort of conspiracy theory minded absence of faith and our own beliefs such as michael pollan the quote expose them they