judge maggs: i want to ask -- justice thomas: so you're judge maggs now? judge maggs: about a week. justice thomas: i think that's great. [laughter] justice thomas: just changing the subject. [laughter] judge maggs: justice, you start out the book when you are 9 years old. why is that the place to start your autobiography? justice thomas: well, i had the manuscript to that and terry who is my final editor, just phenomenal human being and editor and musician and he understood. he dug deep within the manuscript and he said, you know you have a great title. i had picked out the title to "my grandfather's son" but he said, you have to explain the title within the first page or two. and he said, i found the explanation buried in your manuscript. and the line is, "i was 9 years old when i met my father," and he said that most people -- wouldn't think of that because ultimately my grandfather is my father. i'm my grandfather's son, not my father's son. so that was my first encounter that i remember with my father, and so that's why i started it out there to explain why i was my grandfather

magg maggie haberman, whatever you were doing, get back to it. thanks for talking to us tonight. perfect. that really helps us to set the stage for tonight's great debate. cnn contributor, former obama white house ethics czar norman eisen and cnn legal commentator, former trump white house lawyer james schultz. gentlemen, thank you very much. counselor eisen, this latest piece of information that mark carallo, pr. guy for the legal team for trump for a little while says he heard hicks say these e-mails will never get out. now, they did get out. trump junior put them out if they're the same body of information we're thinking of. is this relevant? >> chris, thanks for having me back. it is relevant. it's another part of the mosaic, the evidence is accumulating of, as you say, corrupt intent to obstruct justice. we're not ready yet to find that the offense has occurred, but it's troubling. you know, part of the problem is, it's evidence of cover-up, chris, and that's what always goes along with obstruction. the effort to hide it. whenever you have a witness who may have said -- and