so i for years have been working with my colleague stewart butler and paul posener was working on us on how to come with a bunch of ideas. stewart runs a round table on budget process. the first panel we will hear today is a remarkable groups called convergence which brings together stakeholders from all different areas. the kind of people who in this city would be tossing the food across the table at each other and fighting all out and they on many topics and the newest one was budget process bring together people and work together for months and months to build trust, come up with shared values and principles which i think is such an important part, a starting point of understanding that there is a lot more that we have in common, there's more that unites us than divides us, even in budget process and then come up with solutions. so today we're going to be hearing from convergence about a long list of possible solutions to help address this budget process situation and there are more that we will be hearing from on the second panel where a lot of my colleagues will come up with idea