john bray bebender. is there a deep state, john? are you with joseph digenova on this?describe deep state different than most people do. i think there is. as a culture of washington, that is lobbyists, bureaucrats who have been here through different administrations, media consultants, everybody, and in some sinense, we feel like we o d.c. and -- >> do they meet? >> no. >> they don't meet? they don't have meetings? >> i think it's a culture. in this case, i think there is a group within some of the bureaucrats that were pro-obama, pro-hillary who believe -- >> you belief tve the fbi is invested with liberals? >> i believe there are people who feel the last election was a mistake. >> the fbi? >> i believe there are people within the fbi -- >> ten days before the election they announced hillary clinton's under investigation again. >> right. all the democrats were claiming that that was a political move. if the democrats are willing to say that comey was political, why can't the republicans -- >> because you claim it's systemic. anyway, cornell, there's a difference in the