but we could be more specific with commissioner hyland's comments. >> that seems more specific. and quantifiable than just our pulling a number out of the hat. >> i'm concerned there, sometimes when projects are being defined. i worked on a project where things were stripped out of certain buckets. saying is not really a capital cost or seismic cost. i would like to have $50 million in there. and maybe state that we believe this makes a major contribution to that effort. i'd hate it to be like somebody does an estimate and that's only $21 million because we've moved the money around in our accounting. >> i was suggesting it be a specific number. but that specific number be relative to what the costs are. >> here is, on the mint building, to be general and crude, the building is not going to fall down. it's a stone building. it floats. because of the way it was designed in 1870. as i recall, the biggest seismic issue are the chimneys. but the building itself, there is 12 feet of stonewall. >> i'm talking about the materials. >> the more pressing issue, as i recall, the structural

lastly, please silence all cell phones and electronic devices. [ roll call. ] we expect commissioner hyland to be absent today. members of the commission, first item on your agenda are public comment. at this time, members of the public may address items before the commission except agenda items. with respect to agenda items, your opportunity to address the commission will come when that item is reached in the meeting. >> does any members of the public wish to address the commission on a nonagendaized item? seeing none, we'll move onto item one. >> it>> good afternoon, commissioners. tim frye, department staff. i have a number of announcements to share with you this afternoon. one is in regards to your pending designations for washington high school, roosevelt high school and sunshine middle school. last night, we attended the board of education meeting and presented on the proposed designation. our presentation included information reminding the board that designation has no financial effect on schools because the schools are located on state property, and we reassured the commission and t

commissioner hyland? >> yeah. i just want to add onto what you said, commissioner wolfram. i think the three properties individually missed shading for landmark. i would support it's not just the architecture, it's the use of the building, and not only the use, but the use in the current location, and that's -- rises, brings those -- rises its significance to a landmark status. i would support all three. >> thank you. commissioner matsuda? >> i also support all three, and i just wanted to thank desiree for including such great and rich information about the african americans who worked in the pullman cars. really important to make sure that we have the history of their contributions, and rarely do you find it in public documents, so i'm very happy and thankful to you for doing that. >> can i get some clarification. did -- miss smith, did you write these reports or was this in coordination with -- >> so there are three of us. yes, i wrote the new pull mant. francis wrote hotel utah and shannon ferguson wrote the union hall. >> okay. well, they're all really exceptionally wel

lastly, please silence all cell phones and electronic devices. [ roll call. ] we expect commissioner hyland to be absent today. members of the commission

lastly, please silence all cell phones and electronic devices. [ roll call. ] we expect commissioner hylandt today. members of the commission, first item on your agenda are public comment. at this ti