and her partner alayna treene. to have both of you with us tonight. >> great to have be here. >> shannon: a lot of hostility against the tech companies. is it a broader backlash? >> it's a broader backlash, shannon. in many ways, it is helpful that it's happening because it's shining a spotlight on something that is really important, which is that these tech companies have got too big and too powerful. it mirrors is something that is happening in the economy in general, where you have a concentration of power, and that is always bad news. it's bad news when it happens in government, when you get a concentration of power in washington. that is why i believe indent might be centralizing power from the federal government to the states and communities. the same thing needs to be happening in the economy. we need to topping up the antitrust laws. breaking up these companies, not just tech, throughout the economy, to get more competition into the marketplace. >> shannon: alayna, to that point, the president apparently, t